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> Geiselnahme in Nairobi, Terrorangriff somalischer Islamisten in Kenia
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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 16:02 | Beitrag #31
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Kenyan officials also acknowledged Tuesday that three soldiers had died in tactical rescue operations inside the mall. Western officials have said these soldiers were killed on Sunday night, possibly execution style, after the militants captured them, though Kenyan authorities denied on Monday that any of their soldiers had been killed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/world/af...tml?hp&_r=0
 
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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 16:15 | Beitrag #32
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Laut der NYT haben sich die Terroristen im dritten Stock verschanzt.
Nach amerikanischer Zählweise dann also die Ebene mit dem Kino?

Das Kino ist bestimmt eine schwer einzunehmende Position, wegen der Zwischenwand die den Kinosaal von der Außenwand abschirmt und dem Blick aufs Treppenhaus.



Der Brand ist scheinbar im Parkhaus.

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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 17:03 | Beitrag #33
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Police and army swept through the mall to pursue the assailants and to help civilians escape to safety in the Westgate Mall in Nairobi on Sept. 21. (Tyler Hicks/The New York Times)


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Plainclothes officer searches the Westgate Mall on Sept 21. Police and army swept through the mall to pursue the assailants and to help civilians escape to safety. (Tyler Hicks/The New York Times)


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Security forces search floor by floor for the gunmen on Sept 21. Police and army swept through the mall to pursue the assailants and to help civilians escape to safety. (Tyler Hicks/The New York Times)


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Security forces work quickly to get civilians out of the mall and to find militants on Sept. 21. (Tyler Hicks/The New York Times)


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Police officers and soldiers swept through the five-story Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya on Sept. 21 after gunmen opened fire. (Tyler Hicks/The New York Times)


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A woman protects children from the attackers by hiding behind a restaurant counter. Gunmen entered the upscale Westgate Mall in Nairobi Sept. 21, killing and injuring civilians. (Tyler Hicks/The New York Times)


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Kenyan soldiers and the police descend on the mall, trying to isolate the gunmen and protect shoppers and workers on Sept. 21 after gunmen entered and killed dozens at the Westgate Mall. (Tyler Hicks/The New York Times)


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A woman jumps from an air vent of a restaurant where she was hiding in the Westgate mall in Nairobi on Sept 21. Police and army swept through the mall to pursue the assailants and to help civilians escape to safety. (Tyler Hicks/The New York Times)


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People evacuate the Westgate Mall to escape the violence during the siege on Sept. 21. (Tyler Hicks/The New York Times)


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People who escaped the carnage said the assailants were holding hostages at gunpoint. (Tyler Hicks/The New York Times)


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Medics take cover behind a large tree as gunfire and explosions are heard from the Westgate Mall in Nairobi Kenya on Sept. 23. Multiple large blasts have rocked the mall where a hostage siege is in its third day. Associated Press reporters on the scene heard multiple blasts and a barrage of gunfire. Security forces have been attempting to rescue an unknown number of hostages inside the mall held by al-Qaida-linked terrorists. (Jerome Delay/Associated Press)


 
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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 17:41 | Beitrag #34
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Kann jemand diese Waffe identifizieren?
 
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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 18:07 | Beitrag #35
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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 18:07 | Beitrag #36
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Zur angeblichen SAS-Geschichte: Ich bin grundsätzlich erstmal skeptisch wenn die Daily Fail etwas über THEM berichtet, möglich ist die nette Geschichte natürlich schon, allerdings fern von bewiesen; alles mit 'SAS' im Titel greift natürlich und verkauft sich gut...


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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 18:09 | Beitrag #37
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Das könnte womöglich eine als PDW hochgepimpte Pistole sein. Meine es gibt da diverse Möglichkeiten um Glocks, etc. recht einfach umzurüsten.

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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 18:09 | Beitrag #38
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ZITAT(Malefiz @ 24. Sep 2013, 19:07) *
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nö, so gar nicht, scheint eher ein Schaftsystem für Glock zu sein.


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Dass die Russen viele Verluste haben aufgrund ihrer offensiven Vorgehensweise, die sie sich bei Zapp Brannigan abgeschaut haben, ist davon unbenommen.
 
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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 18:10 | Beitrag #39
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Zur angeblichen SAS-Geschichte: Ich bin grundsätzlich erstmal skeptisch wenn die Daily Fail etwas über THEM berichtet, möglich ist die nette Geschichte natürlich schon, allerdings fern von bewiesen; alles mit 'SAS' im Titel greift natürlich und verkauft sich gut...
Andere Quellen sprechen von einem ehemaligen Royal Marine.

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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 18:13 | Beitrag #40
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Andere Quellen sprechen von einem ehemaligen Royal Marine.

Nö, die 'Daily Mail' hat jetzt einfach ihre Geschichte von 'SAS' in 'Ex-Royal Marine' geändert, heute morgen war in der Schlagzeile noch von einem SAS-Mann die Rede.


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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 18:16 | Beitrag #41
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nö, so gar nicht, scheint eher ein Schaftsystem für Glock zu sein.


Tatsache. Man möge mir die müden Augen verzeihen, ist wirklich keine Vector.


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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 18:20 | Beitrag #42
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A member of Kenyan security forces wears a scarf as he prepares for the night ahead on a road outside Westgate Mall, in Nairobi, Kenya Monday, Sept. 23, 2013. Four large blasts rocked Kenya's Westgate Mall on Monday, sending large plumes of smoke over an upscale suburb as Kenyan military forces sought to rescue an unknown number of hostages held by al-Qaida-linked militants. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis)



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A police officer walks towards the edge of a security perimeter put into place a distance from the Westgate Shopping Centre in Nairobi, in the early hours of the morning during a standoff operation between Kenyan security forces and gunmen inside the building, September 24, 2013. Islamist fighters from Somalia's al Shabaab held out at the shopping centre after killing at least 62 people, surrounded by Kenyan forces trying to crush their group's cross-border jihad. REUTERS/Siegfried Modola



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Police officers guard the edge of a security perimeter put into place a distance from the Westgate Shopping Centre in Nairobi, in the early hours of the morning during a standoff operation between Kenyan security forces and gunmen inside the building, September 24, 2013. REUTERS/Siegfried Modola




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A Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) armoured military vehicle drives to the Westgate shopping centre after an exchange of gunfire inside the mall in Nairobi, September 24, 2013. Kenya said its security forces were in control of the shopping mall where Islamist fighters killed at least 62 people, and police were doing a final sweep of shops early on Tuesday after rescuing the last hostages. REUTERS/Thomas Mukoya



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Kenyan army soldiers with sniffer dogs patrol near the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya Tuesday, Sept. 24, 2013. Kenyan security forces battled al-Qaida-linked terrorists in an upscale mall for a third day Monday in what they said was a final push to rescue the last few hostages in a siege that has left at least 62 people dead. (AP Photo/Sayyid Azim)



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Kenyan army soldiers and police officers patrol near the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya Tuesday, Sept. 24, 2013. Kenyan security forces battled al-Qaida-linked terrorists in an upscale mall for a third day Monday in what they said was a final push to rescue the last few hostages in a siege that has left at least 62 people dead. (AP Photo/Sayyid Azim)



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Kenyan army soldiers patrol near the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya Tuesday, Sept. 24, 2013. Kenyan security forces battled al-Qaida-linked terrorists in an upscale mall for a third day Monday in what they said was a final push to rescue the last few hostages in a siege that has left at least 62 people dead. (AP Photo/Sayyid Azim)



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A Kenyan soldier prepares to enter the Westgate Mall, following a bout of heavy gunfire just after dawn, in Nairobi, Kenya Tuesday, Sept. 24, 2013. Kenyan security forces battled al-Qaida-linked terrorists in an upscale mall for a fourth day Tuesday in what they said was a final push to rescue the last few hostages in a siege that has left at least 62 people dead. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis)



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Kenyan soldiers enter the Westgate Mall through the main entrance, following a bout of heavy gunfire just after dawn, in Nairobi, Kenya Tuesday, Sept. 24, 2013. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis)


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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 18:20 | Beitrag #43
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ZITAT(Dave76 @ 24. Sep 2013, 19:13) *
ZITAT(Hummingbird @ 24. Sep 2013, 19:10) *
Andere Quellen sprechen von einem ehemaligen Royal Marine.

Nö, die 'Daily Mail' hat jetzt einfach ihre Geschichte von 'SAS' in 'Ex-Royal Marine' geändert, heute morgen war in der Schlagzeile noch von einem SAS-Mann die Rede.
Die Daily Mail hat das geändert, nachdem andere Quellen von einem ehemaligen Royal Marine gesprochen haben. Was auch immer...

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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 18:20 | Beitrag #44
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Kann jemand diese Waffe identifizieren?


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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 18:30 | Beitrag #45
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Möchte mal an der Stelle bemerken, das es unglaublich ist, wie gut das Bildmaterial ist. Die Fotografen waren ja mitten drin, auch mit den Sicherheitskräften.
 
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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 18:33 | Beitrag #46
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Tyler Hicks ist auch einer der ganz großen Konfliktfotografen.

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A line of photojournalists, including the New York Times’s Lynsey Addario (far left) and Tyler Hicks (right, in glasses), run for cover during a rebel fight outside Ras Lanuf, Libya on March 11. Addario and Hicks were two of the Times’s journalists captured by pro-Qaddafi forces and held for six days before being released. Addario was sexually assaulted and threatened with death during the ordeal. “Every man who came in contact with us bascially felt every inch of my body short of what was under my clothes,” said Addario, who along with her fellow journalists was also repeatedly beaten.




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Beitrag 24. Sep 2013, 19:13 | Beitrag #47
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A Kenyan soldier takes up position outside Westgate shopping mall in Nairobi September 24, 2013. Somalia's al Shabaab Islamist group said on Tuesday its militants were still holed up in a Kenyan shopping mall they attacked at the weekend and there were "countless dead bodies", raising fears the death toll could be higher than 62. REUTERS/Goran Tomasevic



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Kenya Defence Forces soldiers stand at the main entrance of Westgate shopping centre, on the fourth day since militants stormed into the mall, in Nairobi September 24, 2013. Somalia's prime minister said on Tuesday that he was working closely with Kenyan authorities, and called for international support to combat al Shabaab militants who have claimed responsibility for the deadly attack on Nairobi's Westgate mall. REUTERS/Noor Khamis



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A Kenyan security forces sniper aims at the Westgate Mall from an adjacent building in Nairobi, Kenya Tuesday Sept. 24 2013. Gunfire has erupted sporadically on the fourth day of a hostage siege. Security forces have been attempting to rescue an unknown number of hostages inside the mall held by al-Qaida-linked terrorists. (AP Photo/ Jerome Delay)



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A Kenyan soldier runs through a corridor on an upper floor, shortly before an explosion was heard, at the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya Tuesday, Sept. 24, 2013. Kenyan officials say three soldiers have died and eight others have been injured in a fight with militants who attacked an upscale mall in Nairobi. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis)



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Kenya Defence Forces soldiers give the thumbs up at the roof top of the Westgate shopping mall, on the fourth day since militants stormed into the mall, in Nairobi September 24, 2013. Somalia's prime minister said on Tuesday that he was working closely with Kenyan authorities, and called for international support to combat al Shabaab militants who have claimed responsibility for the deadly attack on Nairobi's Westgate mall. REUTERS/Noor Khamis



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Kenya Defence Forces soldiers move at the main entrance of Westgate shopping centre, on the fourth day since militants stormed into the mall, in Nairobi September 24, 2013. REUTERS/Noor Khamis



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Kenya Defence Forces soldiers take their position at the Westgate shopping centre, on the fourth day since militants stormed into the mall, in Nairobi September 24, 2013. REUTERS/Noor Khamis



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Security officers man a check point and divert traffic at the edge of the security perimeter put into place a distance from the Westgate Shopping Centre in Nairobi, during the stand off operation between Kenyan security forces and gunmen inside the building September 24, 2013. Somalia's al Shabaab Islamist group said on Tuesday its militants were still holed up in a Kenyan shopping mall they attacked at the weekend and there were "countless dead bodies", raising fears the death toll could be higher than 62. REUTERS/Siegfried Modola



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A Kenyan soldier gestures near Westgate shopping centre in Nairobi September 24, 2013. REUTERS/Goran Tomasevic



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A Kenya Defence Force soldier heavily armed as he carries an anti tank launcher on his back, as he takes a break to have snack at Oshwal Centre near the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya, Tuesday, Sept. 24, 2013. Kenyan security forces battled al-Qaida-linked terrorists in an upscale mall for a fourth day. Another explosion and more gunfire could be heard coming from the mall in the early hours of Tuesday morning.(AP Photo/Sayyid Azim)


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Beitrag 25. Sep 2013, 13:53 | Beitrag #48
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The plot was hatched weeks or months ago on Somali soil, by the Shabab’s “external operations arm,” officials say. A team of English-speaking foreign fighters was carefully selected, along with a target: Nairobi’s gleaming Westgate mall.

The building’s blueprints were studied, down to the ventilation ducts. The attack was rehearsed and the team dispatched, slipping undetected through Kenya’s porous borders, often patrolled by underpaid — and deeply corrupt — border guards.

A day or two before the attack, powerful belt-fed machine guns were secretly stashed in a shop in the mall with the help of a colluding employee, officials say. At least one militant had even packed a change of clothes so he could slip out with fleeing civilians after the killings were done.

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Witnesses said several militants had toted G3 assault rifles

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After killing scores of shoppers, the militants retreated into a supermarket and used belt-fed machine guns to hold off the Kenyan forces, killing at least six members.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/world/af...tml?hp&_r=0
 
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Beitrag 25. Sep 2013, 14:24 | Beitrag #49
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Kenya Defence Forces soldiers comb the rooftop of the Westgate shopping mall in Nairobi September 24, 2013.
REUTERS/Noor Khamis




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Kenyan soldiers move in formation, clearing the top floor balcony and interior of Westgate Mall on September 24, 2013 in Nairobi. Kenyan Defence troops remain inside the Westgate mall, in a standoff with Somali militants after they laid siege to the shopping centre shooting and throwing grenades as they entered. CARL DE SOUZA/AFP/Getty Images








 
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Beitrag 25. Sep 2013, 15:00 | Beitrag #50
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ZITAT(Heckenschütze @ 24. Sep 2013, 19:30) *
Möchte mal an der Stelle bemerken, das es unglaublich ist, wie gut das Bildmaterial ist. Die Fotografen waren ja mitten drin, auch mit den Sicherheitskräften.
Das der New York Times Staff Fotograf Tyler Hicks zum Zeitpunkt des Angriffs gerade etwas im benachbarten Fotoladen der Mall abholt, ist ein schon fast komischer Zufall.

Hier gibt es ein Interview mit ihm, sowie einige weitere Bilder, die hier im Thread noch nicht zu sehen waren:

http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/w...a-nairobi-mall/

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Beitrag 27. Sep 2013, 16:40 | Beitrag #51
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This photo provided by the Kenya Presidency shows the collapsed upper parking deck atop the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya, Thursday, Sept. 26, 2013.
Kenya’s military caused the massive collapse of three floors of Nairobi’s Westgate Mall during the terrorist siege in which at least 67 people died, a top-ranking government official told The Associated Press.
(AP Photo/Kenya Presidency)
 
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Beitrag 27. Sep 2013, 18:00 | Beitrag #52
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Mögen die Opfer dieses furchtbaren Verbrechens in Frieden Ruhen. Wenn es stimmt, was nun aus Kenia verlautet, dann wurde die Sprengung durch das verzweifelte Militär bewusst herbeigeführt, weil in dem betroffenen Gebäudeteil die Terroristen unter den Geiseln wüteten und man nicht an sie herankam. Ärzten zufolge kam es zu Folter und Vergewaltigungen, selbst an Kindern. Die Geiseln wären der Reihe nach enthauptet und ihre Köpfe aus den Fenstern geworfen worden.

Link: The Independent
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"Dies sind keine Halbwahrheiten, es ist die verdammte ganze Wahrheit", sagte [der Polizeiarzt], ein Forensiker, der Zeitung The Star. "Ihnen wurden die Hoden, Augen, Ohren und Nasen abgeschnitten. Die Hände wurden ihnen wie Bleistifte angespitzt und sie wurden gezwungen, ihre Namen mit dem eigenen Blut zu schreiben. Ein Kind stachen sie mit Messern zu Tode. Wenn Sie sich die Leichname ansehen, ausgenommen jener, die entkommen konnten, dann werden Sie sehen, dass Finger und Nasen mit Kneifzangen abgerissen wurden."


Wie kann man da noch an Gott glauben.

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Bald heisst es, Leopard Panzer werden nur geliefert wenn der Jadeaffe vor Vollmond zurück im Tempel ist.

 
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Beitrag 27. Sep 2013, 18:46 | Beitrag #53
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Muckensen, hast du dir mal die Mühe gemacht nachzuforschen, ob der Artikel auf seriösen Agenturmeldungen basiert, oder übernimmst du völlig unreflektiert jedes Schauermärchen, dass auf irgendeiner schäbigen Webseite steht, die sich offensichtlich auf Schnappatmung spezialisiert hat.
 
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Beitrag 27. Sep 2013, 19:24 | Beitrag #54
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Der Artikel des The Star (Kenianische Version), von dem The Independent - und inzwischen der halbe Planet - abschreibt, ist übrigens der hier:
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-137...s-were-tortured

The Star selbst ist übrigens eher weniger sensationslüstern, sondern im Bezug auf den Anschlag insbesondere in den Editorials reflektierend-kritisch eingestellt. Was übrigens anscheinend auch eher der Stimmung ernstzunehmender Personenkreise in Kenia entspricht. Beispiele:
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-137...-delayed-rescue
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-137...westgate-attack
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-137...ver-terror-raid

Das Problem ist das - wie das so zu erwarten ist - es massenweise Gerüchteküche außenrum gibt. Das mit der Folter ist da noch unter den harmloseren. Über Twitter wurde zum Beispiel (angeblich von al-Shabaab) verbreitet, die Polizei hätte die Mall erst mit chemischen Waffen vollgepumpt und anschließend gesprengt um die Leichen zu verdecken.
Übrigens, bezüglich "Polizeiarzt", es wurden 15 Forensische Mediziner der Uni von Nairobi hinzugezogen und auf die Krankenhäuser und Leichenhallen verteilt, um Autopsien an sämtlichen Opfer durchzuführen. Ich sags mal so, wenn es (gezielt) zerlegte Leichen gäbe, dann wäre das in der heutigen medienorientierten afrikanischen Gesellschaft schneller verbreitet wie hier.
 
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Beitrag 27. Sep 2013, 20:21 | Beitrag #55
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Und wenn es dort Brutkästen gegeben hätten dann hätten die Geiselnehmer bestimmt die Kinder auf den Boden geschmissen. rolleyes.gif


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Beitrag 28. Sep 2013, 00:25 | Beitrag #56
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The Star ist als zuverlässige Nachrichtenquelle vor Ort, die unter anderem auch Deutsche Welle mit Nachrichten z.B. über die Piraterie am Horn beliefert, durchaus ein Begriff, und der Independent gilt nicht gerade als Tabloid. Doch warum beziehe ich hier die Schelte? War das 'wenn' nicht konjunktivisch unterstrichen?
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Und wenn es dort Brutkästen gegeben hätten dann hätten die Geiselnehmer bestimmt die Kinder auf den Boden geschmissen. rolleyes.gif
Da hat aber jemand mit Gregor Gysi gefrühstückt, was?
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Bald heisst es, Leopard Panzer werden nur geliefert wenn der Jadeaffe vor Vollmond zurück im Tempel ist.

 
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Beitrag 28. Sep 2013, 01:01 | Beitrag #57
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Weil dein Post sich liest als hätte man versehentlich RTL2 eingeschaltet.

Es hat bei diesem feigen Terrorakt mehr als genug Barbarei gegeben. Da muss man sich nicht noch Gerüchten von abgeschnittenen Hoden hingeben, die angeblich aus den Fenstern geworfen wurden, was von den hunderten von Fotografen aber komischerweise niemand dokumentiert haben will.
 
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Beitrag 28. Sep 2013, 12:40 | Beitrag #58
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Und wegen solchen Moralinspritzen
ZITAT(muckensen @ 27. Sep 2013, 19:00) *
Wie kann man da noch an Gott glauben.

Aber nun gut, ich bin Atheist, ich habe nie an ihn geglaubt, aber mit solchen Sprüchen hatte das sicher nichts zu tun rolleyes.gif

Wir lassen diese Diskussion jetzt aber hier sein, wer sie führen will, darf ganz gerne im PuG einen Thread aufmachen über das TV-Nachmittagsprogramm und anderen menschliche Abgründe und unglaubliche Gräueltaten.


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Wer zum Denken nachdenkseiten braucht, denkt auch, dass ihm ihm die Tankkarte das tanken abnimmt.

Qui tacet, consentire videtur
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Dass die Russen viele Verluste haben aufgrund ihrer offensiven Vorgehensweise, die sie sich bei Zapp Brannigan abgeschaut haben, ist davon unbenommen.
 
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Beitrag 28. Sep 2013, 13:20 | Beitrag #59
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Armed police guide a woman carrying a child to safety at Westgate Shopping Centre in Nairobi September 21, 2013. Gunmen stormed the shopping mall in Nairobi on Saturday killing at least 20 people in what Kenya's government said could be a terrorist attack, and sending scores fleeing into shops, a cinema and onto the streets in search of safety. Sporadic gun shots could be heard hours after the assault started as soldiers surrounded the mall and police and soldiers combed the building, hunting down the attackers shop by shop. REUTERS/Goran Tomasevic



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Armed police search Westgate Shopping Centre in Nairobi, September 21, 2013. Militant gunmen stormed the shopping mall in Nairobi on Saturday killing at least 25 people, including children, and sending scores fleeing into shops, a cinema and onto the streets in search of safety. Shooting continued hours after the initial assault as troops surrounded the Westgate mall and police and soldiers combed the building, hunting down the attackers shop by shop. REUTERS/Goran Tomasevic



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Armed police guide a woman carrying a child to safety as they hunt gunmen who went on a shooting spree at Westgate shopping centre in Nairobi, September 21, 2013. REUTERS/Goran Tomasevic



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A child runs to safety as armed police hunt gunmen who went on a shooting spree at Westgate shopping centre in Nairobi September 21, 2013. REUTERS/Goran Tomasevic



Hier die Geschichte zu dem Mann auf diesen Bildern:

ZITAT(abcnews.go.com/blogs)
Kenyan Hero’s Harrowing Tale of Rescues in Mall Massacre
Sep 27, 2013
By Alexander Marquardt

NAIROBI, Kenya–In one of the most memorable images to emerge from inside the Nairobi mall attacked last weekend by Islamic extremists, a 4-year-old girl is seen running toward a man who is reaching out a hand to pull her to safety.

The man was Abdul Haji, a 39-year-old real estate executive who rushed to the mall as the attack got underway. He managed to evacuate scores of people to safety, including that young American girl, Portia Walker, and is being hailed in Kenya as a hero.

As the gunmen began their rampage in Nairobi’s upscale Westgate Mall early Saturday afternoon, Haji got a short text from his brother who was at the mall. “I’m stuck at the Westgate. It’s probably a terrorist attack. Pray for me.” Haji’s immediate thought was that militants had gone to assassinate his brother.

Until just a few weeks ago, his brother was an undercover counterterrorism official battling organizations like al Shabab, the al Qaeda-linked group that has claimed responsibility for the four-day siege that left almost 70 people dead. But a local media outlet had recently revealed Haji’s brother’s identity and the family – including their father, a former defense minister – had started receiving death threats.

Haji says he grew up around guns and lately had been carrying his pistol with him. “I left where I was and I headed straight to the Westgate,” Haji told ABC News. “Luckily on that particular day I had actually carried my licensed gun with me so I didn’t have to go back home to waste time and pick up a gun, I went straight to the mall.”

When he arrived he quickly figured out his brother was not the target. Haji joined up with a group of around 15 men outside, including some security officers, most of them armed and some wearing body armor, and headed into the mall with workers from the Red Cross. “It was like a war zone,” he said. “I’ve never seen such a massacre. I’ve never come across such a thing. It was shocking. There were young girls, there were ladies, elderly people, some children. We were shocked.”

The group had taken a ramp up to the mall’s top floor which they started clearing, going store to store and yelling at people to get out, many of whom didn’t know which side the men were on. “Most of them were really petrified, they could not move. They were lying down on the ground as if they were dead but they were not dead,” said Haji. “We kept shouting that we’re police officers, ‘get up, get up, open the door, we’re police officers.’”

As they arrived on the mall’s ground floor, the attackers opened fire on the group, shooting one of the men Haji was with in the stomach. It was then that Haji came face to face with one of the attackers, whom he described as “of dark complexion, he had a black bandanna tied on his head.”

“When his eyes and my eyes met, he started taunting me and telling come closer,” Haji recalled. “Telling me in Swahili, ‘come, come.’ As if it was a joke to him. This whole thing was a joke to him.”

Nearby, a woman was trapped behind a table. Haji yelled at her to run to them but the woman, 39 year-old Katherine Walker, said she couldn’t because she had three young children with her. Haji told her to send the eldest, 4-year-old Portia, who ran across. “[A] very brave girl,” said Haji affectionately. “She’s running toward a man with a gun and she was very brave.”

“I don’t know how she knew to do it but she did,” Katherine Walker later told The Telegraph newspaper, “she did what she was told and she went.”

Walker and another woman followed close behind with the other two children who then re-united outside with the family’s two teenage sons who had been shopping elsewhere in the mall. “I was worried about family in America seeing [the photo] because we haven’t really shared the whole story with them yet,” Walker told the newspaper. “For me, I know the story behind it and that it ends well. I think I owe Mr. Haji a hug or two.”

As Haji arrived at a Nairobi hotel for the interview, he was instantly recognized by hotel staff who asked for photos with him. But Haji dismisses all the talk of him being a hero, saying he was just going to the mall to save his brother. “I think anybody in the situation would have probably done the same thing,” he said. “[If] he was armed and thinking the worst about his family he would have probably done the same thing.”

Haji claims he’s coping well in the aftermath of the ordeal. He says he doesn’t remember any nightmares but his wife has told him that he has been crying in his sleep. “I never saw anything like that,” said Haji. “It’ll probably stick with me for a long time. And I just hope I don’t have to go through the same thing again.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013...-mall-massacre/



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Beitrag 28. Sep 2013, 13:29 | Beitrag #60
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ZITAT(independent.ie)
Mystery Irish hero saved hundreds of terrified shoppers trapped in Nairobi
25 September 2013

A FORMER Irish Army ranger helped save hundreds of terrified shoppers who were trapped inside the Westgate mall as it came under terrorist attack at the weekend.

The hero, who does not want his identity to be revealed, was part of a group of four who fought off some of the al Qa'ida linked attackers to rescue the terrified shoppers.
A close friend revealed last night that the ex-soldier was about to leave the mall when the attack began and he ran back inside with a former British soldier.

They were provided with guns by two Asian men and the four ran into an underground car park where they found over 200 shoppers and staff hiding behind parked trucks.
They brought the group up a ramp onto a street and then returned to the mall where they found another 100 people.

The men also helped to bring them out of the mall.
But when the two ex-soldiers tried to gain access to the third floor, where some colleagues were based, they came under fire from the roof.

HIDING

They returned fire and moved into a restaurant where others were in hiding.
After a further exchange of gunfire, they found another large group of shoppers and engaged with the gunmen again as they brought them to safety.

The close friend told the Irish Independent last night: "They left no one behind.
"In escorting those people from the premises they took more fire from the upper floor before escaping.

"This man then spent three hours using his paramedical training to help the injured, including people who had been shot or hit by hand grenade shrapnel, and then turned restaurant tables into temporary stretchers to shuttle them to safety.
"His skills saved the lives of many. Eye witness accounts say he did an extraordinary job", the friend added.

The former soldier spent several years in the Army Ranger Wing.
He is from the Midlands and is currently working as a consultant with an international company based in Africa.

He had been in Nairobi on business and was making a social visit to the mall when the shooting started.
His friend said he slipped out of the mall afterwards in blood-soaked jeans and t-shirt and "stayed out of the limelight, despite tweets and appeals on Facebook from people, who wanted to thank him for his efforts".

By Tom Brady Security Editor

Irish Independent

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/myste...i-29608137.html

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