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Beitrag 16. Feb 2019, 18:44 | Beitrag #1081
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ZITAT(Dave76 @ 16. Feb 2019, 18:11) *
Ich glaube du hast die zugrundeliegende Wahrscheinlichkeitsrechnung nicht so ganz durchdrungen.

Hab schonmal davon gehört, ich glaube das Thema führt uns aber zu sehr von der F-35 weg.

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ZITAT(KSK @ 16. Feb 2019, 15:26) *
Dann hat man zwar eine schöne Anekdote für die Presse, mit den Realitäten im Einsatz hat das aber wohl kaum etwas zu tun.

Du glaubst also, dass die Red Flag-Übungen nur Propagandashows für die Presse sind? Aha.

Ich glaube, dass der Artikel - bzw. dessen Aussage "unerfahrender Pilot erlangt mit F-35 vollkommene Oberhand über Gen 4-Flieger" das ist.

Das steht da nicht, der junge F-35 Pilot teilte seinem Blue Force-Kameraden in einem 4th Gen. mit, dass er eine Bedrohung vor sich habe, die dieser nicht bemerkt hatte, und deswegen umdrehen solle. Dann schoß er eben diese Bedrohung ab und erzielte in der stundenlangen Mission später noch 3 weitere Abschüsse.

Dann formuliere ich meine grundlegende Frage anders: Was soll uns dieser Artikel nun über die F-35 sagen?


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Beitrag 16. Feb 2019, 18:52 | Beitrag #1082
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Der Artikel sagt rein gar nichts aus. Es ist eine nette Fliegergeschichte, die im PuG besser aufgehoben wäre. Selbst wenn man Daves Linie folgt und dieser Pilot hatte im realen scharfen Schuss tatsächlich eine Abschussquote von 100%, dann müsste nach der Wahrscheinlichkeit einer seiner Kollegen 0% gehabt haben, sonnst stimmt diese Wahrscheinlichkeitsrechnung nicht mehr. Wie sähe ein Bericht aus, der über seinen Kollegen erzählt hätte? Ein besserer Bericht wäre einer, der über das ganze Geschehen berichtet hätte, über Kollegen die 100% hatten und andere die 50% und 0% gehabt hätten. So wird aber ein falsches Bild erzeugt, weil der unerfahrene Leser über die tatsächlichen Gegebenheiten nichts erfährt.

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Eine komplette Waffenübersicht (naja, fast komplett... ...naja auch nicht fast komplett, aber sehr vieles...):

waffen-der-welt.alices-world.de

 
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Beitrag 16. Feb 2019, 20:09 | Beitrag #1083
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ZITAT(KSK @ 16. Feb 2019, 18:44) *
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Dann formuliere ich meine grundlegende Frage anders: Was soll uns dieser Artikel nun über die F-35 sagen?

Das Konzept, welches hinter der 5th Gen.-Idee steckt scheint ganz gut aufzugehen. Jedenfalls zeigt das die Hochwertübung Red Flag.

ZITAT(xena @ 16. Feb 2019, 18:52) *
Der Artikel sagt rein gar nichts aus. Es ist eine nette Fliegergeschichte, die im PuG besser aufgehoben wäre.

Hm-hm, okay.

ZITAT(xena @ 16. Feb 2019, 18:52) *
Selbst wenn man Daves Linie folgt und dieser Pilot hatte im realen scharfen Schuss tatsächlich eine Abschussquote von 100% [...]

Das ist nicht "meine Linie", das ist ein Bericht von der Übung Red Flag. Und da es eine Übung war, hat auch niemand einen scharfen Schuss abgefeuert.

ZITAT(xena @ 16. Feb 2019, 18:52) *
[...] dann müsste nach der Wahrscheinlichkeit einer seiner Kollegen 0% gehabt haben, sonnst stimmt diese Wahrscheinlichkeitsrechnung nicht mehr.

mata.gif Wat? lol.gif
Das ergibt überhaupt keinen Sinn.

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Beitrag 26. Feb 2019, 11:34 | Beitrag #1084
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On its first combat deployment, the Marine Corps’ F-35 bombed both the Taliban and ISIS

February 25, 2019
As it returns from its first combat deployment, the Marines' version of the F-35 is no longer a baby-faced boot.

F-35Bs flew more than 100 combat sorties against the Taliban and ISIS while deployed aboard the amphibious assault ship USS Essex, said Lt. Col. Kyle Shoop, commander of Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 211.

"We overall supported more than 50 days of combat flying for over 1,200 flight hours," Shoop told Task & Purpose. "We supported both Operation Freedom's Sentinel up in the Afghanistan region as well as Operation Inherent Resolve over Syria/Iraq. We employed ordnance in both theaters on numerous days," Shoop said. "Every single one of the pilots employed ordnance in theater. So, we were very busy."
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During its deployment, the F-35B squadron flew close air support missions over both Afghanistan and Syria, Shoop said. In Syria, the aircraft also helped assess the damage done by coalition airstrikes in bad weather because the F-35's radar is far better than the F/A-18 Hornets' sensors.
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Overall, the F-35 exceeded expectations during its first deployment, Shoop said. The squadron was able to keep 75 percent of its aircraft operational at all times, allowing it to "fly pretty much at will."
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https://taskandpurpose.com/f-35-combat-depl...2Thc9ribsekR4SQ


Edit: Noch ein paar zusätzliche Details:

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The Marine Corps' F-35B Joint Strike Fighters led a big part of the campaign to demolish Islamic State terrorists in recent months, outpacing the combat flight hours flown by older aircraft on past deployments by 2-to-1.
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The F-35Bs were able to give troops on the ground more information than would have been possible in the AV-8B Harrier jump jet, which the Joint Strike Fighter will eventually replace. Its sensors are better in poor weather, Shoop said.

The Marines ended up flying the F-35B about twice as much as the Harrier flew on past deployments, Nelms said.

"A conservative estimate is the F-35 flew 100 percent more hours on this deployment than a typical deployment for a Harrier squadron," he said. "When you consider that their readiness was 75 percent or better ... while doubling the amount of flight hours being flown, it's a real testament to the aircraft and the maintainers."

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/02...deployment.html

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Beitrag 26. Feb 2019, 19:11 | Beitrag #1085
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Raytheon Wins F-35 Role For New JSOW-ER

Feb 25, 2019
Raytheon will develop and deploy a powered and extended-range variant of the Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW-ER) to attack land and maritime targets from within the weapons bay of the Lockheed Martin F-35A and carrier-based F-35C fighters, the U.S. Navy ...

https://aviationweek.com/awindefense/raythe...ole-new-jsow-er


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Beitrag 28. Feb 2019, 19:16 | Beitrag #1086
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AIRCDRE Kitcher [Commanding Officer of the RAAF’s Air Combat Group] explained yesterday in a press conference hosted by Lockheed Martin Australia that in the recent Red Flag 19-1 exercise at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, in one sortie undertaken by Australian F/A-18 Hornets as part of the Blue force, a USAF F-35 pilot with only 150 hours since coming out of the worldwide training program located at Luke AFB, was able to warn a pilot in a F/A-18 with 3000 hours flight time that there was a Red Air aggressor closing on his position. He then give instruction on how to proceed to to escape, and the F-35 nullified the Red Air target.

This account gives an accurate description of how the F-35’s sensor suite is a game changer in situational awareness in a conflicted airspace.

During Red Flag 19-1 AIRCDRE Kitcher witnessed first hand flying with 77 Squadron the abilities of the F-35 first hand, He says: “For me it was very pleasing to witness the F-35 in a strike mission, to see an eight-ship of F-35s kick down the door against a fairly determined adversary, with support from some F-22s to hold the door open.

“The F-35s then went back to pick up the strike train which consisted of classic Hornets from 77 Squadron, Super Hornets from the US Navy, Typhoons from the Royal Air Force and supported by US Navy Growlers and USAF F-16 SEAD aircraft.

“The F-35s took that strike train deep in the training area through some significant air defences, everyone dropped their ordnance and everyone got out safely. While that was going on there were Growlers and F-16s suppressing enemy air defences and when the F-35s dropped their ordnance they were actually providing SEAD as well. The whole strike train got out safely thanks to the F-35’s efforts.”
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https://www.aeroaustraliamag.com/raaf-f35s-first-exercise/


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Beitrag 1. Mar 2019, 12:49 | Beitrag #1087
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Navy Declares Initial Operational Capability for F-35C Joint Strike Fighter - usni.org


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Beitrag 2. Mar 2019, 12:40 | Beitrag #1088
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Singapore to buy 4 F-35 fighter jets with option for 8 more; price comparable to F-15SG - channelnewsasia.com


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Beitrag 5. Mar 2019, 20:19 | Beitrag #1089
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SACEUR Curtis Scaparrotti hat sich vor dem US-Senat dafür ausgesprochen, keine F-35 an die Türkei zu verkaufen, falls diese S-400 beschafft:

“My best military advice would be that we don’t then follow through with the F-35 — flying it or working with an ally that is working with Russian systems, particularly air defense systems, with one of our most advanced technological capabilities".

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2...-russian-system
 
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Beitrag 12. Mar 2019, 11:50 | Beitrag #1090
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KONGSBERG awarded JSM Joint Strike Missile contract with Japan

11.03.2019
Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace AS (KONGSBERG) has entered into contract with Japan to supply the initial deliveries of JSM (Joint Strike Missile) for their fleet of F-35 fighter aircrafts.
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https://www.kongsberg.com/en/kog/news/2019/...20with%20japan/


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Beitrag 20. Mar 2019, 19:30 | Beitrag #1091
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BAE begins Meteor and SPEAR integration for F-35

Gareth Jennings, London - Jane's Defence Weekly
17 March 2019


BAE Systems has begun integrating the next tranche of UK-specific weapons onto the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning combat aircraft.

The company announced on 18 March that it had been sub-contracted by Lockheed Martin to begin integrating the MBDA Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) and the Selected Precision Effects at Range (SPEAR) 3 air-to-surface missile aboard the aircraft. Integration is expected to continue up to 2025.

As noted by BAE Systems, the Meteor and SPEAR 3 work is part of a wider package that includes further integration of the MBDA AIM-132 Advanced Short-Range Air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM) and the Raytheon Paveway IV laser-guided bomb (LGB) in support of delivering initial operating capability (IOC) for the UK. While all of this work is being done specifically for the UK customer, Cliff Waldwyn, head of Combat Air, Group Business Development of MBDA said that it also added additional capability choice for international customers.

https://www.janes.com/article/87285/bae-beg...ration-for-f-35



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Beitrag 24. Mar 2019, 13:04 | Beitrag #1092
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F-35: What The Pilots Say

Firsthand accounts of flying the world’s most advanced fighter.

Interviews by Linda Shiner
Air & Space Magazine
April 2019


https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviati...IZKtxpEmJKfQ.99


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Beitrag 30. Mar 2019, 14:53 | Beitrag #1093
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Italienische Piloten berichten von ihren Erfahrungen während der Übung "Red Flag 19-2":
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Aeronautica Militare, esercitazione “Red Flag 19-2”: piloti italiani di F-35 volano per la prima volta con gli statunitensi ed i norvegesi. Commenti entusiasti sulle prestazioni del velivolo

27 marzo 2019

http://www.reportdifesa.it/aeronautica-mil...i-del-velivolo/


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Das Waffensystem [F-35] war das effektivste bei der Neutralisierung der SAMs und absolut notwendig für die sofortige Übertragung aller Informationen, die für den Erfolg der Mission charakteristisch sind.

"Wir wussten, dass wir aufgrund der Technologie der 5. Generation einen operativen Vorteil hatten, aber wir erwarteten nicht eine so hohe Erfolgsrate - betont Major Emanuele A - bei den 16 OCA-Missionen (Offensive Counter Air), die wir flogen, haben wir gegen Null Verluste bei der F-35 mehr als 100 SAM-Systeme neutralisiert".

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Beitrag 4. Apr 2019, 18:26 | Beitrag #1094
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First two F-35As arrive in South Korea - Jane's


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Beitrag 6. Apr 2019, 17:00 | Beitrag #1095
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05 April, 2019

Poland believes it can accelerate the purchase of up to 32 Lockheed Martin F-35 combat aircraft, following suggestions that the USA is willing to expand the fifth-generation jet's operator base

In written testimony to the US House of Representatives, Vice Admiral Mat Winter, director of the Joint Strike Fighter programme, indicated that the Department of Defense was considering sales to countries including Greece, Poland, Romania and Spain.
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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/...isition-457275/


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Beitrag 21. Apr 2019, 15:23 | Beitrag #1096
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USAF Sends F-35s for First Combat Ops; RAF Set To Follow

April 17, 2019
U.S. Air Force Lockheed Martin F-35As have deployed to the Central Command region to undertake the service’s first operational deployment of the type. Six F-35As of the 4th Fighter Squadron arrived at Al Dhafra air base in the United Arab Emirates on April 15 to join the 380th Air Expeditionary Wing.
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Meanwhile, on April 9 the UK’s defense minister, Gavin Williamson, announced that the UK would send F-35Bs on the type’s first deployment to RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus “later this year.” The base is home to the 903 Expeditionary Air Wing and is the focal point for RAF operations over Syria. The RAF’s No. 617 Squadron—based at Marham and jointly staffed by RAF and Royal Navy personnel—declared a land-based IOC for the F-35B on January 10. The UK now has 17 of a planned 138 F-35Bs.
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https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/def...-raf-set-follow



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Beitrag 3. May 2019, 10:08 | Beitrag #1097
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One of the F-35′s cost goals may be unattainable


https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/05/02/...e-unattainable/


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Beitrag 3. May 2019, 12:35 | Beitrag #1098
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The Pentagon’s cost assessment office doesn’t believe the F-35 program office can achieve a “stretch goal” of getting the "A" model’s cost per flying hour to $25,000 by fiscal 2025, its director said Thursday.
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Both CAPE and the F-35 Joint Program Office arrived at similar projections for the F-35A conventional takeoff and landing variant’s cost per flying hour in FY24, with CAPE estimating $36,000 per hour and the JPO pegging costs at $34,000 per hour, said Daigle, who is stepping down later this month.
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Either figure would be an improvement from the FY18 rate, in which one hour of flight time in the "A" model cost about $44,000.


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Beitrag 3. May 2019, 17:19 | Beitrag #1099
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US Air Force conducts airstrikes with F-35 for first time ever

May 1, 2019
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Air Force has finally flown its variant of the F-35 in combat, using two of the aircraft to take out an ISIS tunnel network and weapons cache in Iraq on April 30.

Tuesday’s airstrikes — the first U.S. use of the F-35A conventional takeoff and landing model at war — follow the combat employment Israel Defense Forces’ F-35As in May 2018 and U.S. Marine Corps’ F-35Bs in September 2018.
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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/04/30/...m_source=clavis



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Retired Generals Press Congress to Fund More F-35s, Discourage “Legacy” Buy

5/1/2019
Congress should boost funding for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and ignore a Pentagon initiative to buy new “legacy” F-15EXs, according to a letter to the chairs and ranking members of the House and Senate Armed Services and Appropriations committees from 128 retired general and flag officers, including four former members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
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“This increase will reestablish the original F-35 production rates that in the past years have been tamped by sequestration-era budget caps resulting from the Budget Control Act,” the signatories wrote. “The US must start buying the F-35s in larger quantities to reach the minimum 50 percent of fifth generation fighters in the timeframe required to meet the emerging global threat.”

The writers noted that the F-35 is doing well in deployments and has racked up “a 28:1 kill ratio at recent Red Flag exercises in Nevada.”
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http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019...Legacy-Buy.aspx



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Lockheed Develops Rack to Make F-35A/C a Six-Shooter

Posted on May 1, 2019
ARLINGTON, Va. — The builder of the F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter has designed a new weapons rack to enable the aircraft to carry two more missiles internally.

The new rack, called Sidekick, enables each of the two weapons bays of the Air Force F-35A and Navy carrier-capable F-35C to carry three AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) instead of the current two, for a total of six internally carried AMRAAMs.
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https://seapowermagazine.org/lockheed-devel...-a-six-shooter/


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Beitrag 3. May 2019, 17:36 | Beitrag #1100
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ZITAT(sempertalis @ 3. May 2019, 11:08) *
One of the F-35′s cost goals may be unattainable


https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/05/02/...e-unattainable/



ZITAT(Merowinger @ 3. May 2019, 13:35) *
ZITAT
The Pentagon’s cost assessment office doesn’t believe the F-35 program office can achieve a “stretch goal” of getting the "A" model’s cost per flying hour to $25,000 by fiscal 2025, its director said Thursday.
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Both CAPE and the F-35 Joint Program Office arrived at similar projections for the F-35A conventional takeoff and landing variant’s cost per flying hour in FY24, with CAPE estimating $36,000 per hour and the JPO pegging costs at $34,000 per hour, said Daigle, who is stepping down later this month.
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Either figure would be an improvement from the FY18 rate, in which one hour of flight time in the "A" model cost about $44,000.


das ist aber ziemlich weit weg von dem Versprechen von Lokheed-Martin.
Sind die LM-Versprechen vertraglich festgelegt oder reine Wunschziele, die versprochen wurden?


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US, Poland to Discuss Potential F-35 Sale, Air Force Secretary Says

May 13, 2019
A U.S. delegation is scheduled to brief Polish defense officials eager to buy the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter later this month, U.S. Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson said Monday.

The American team is expected to discuss the costs of buying the Lockheed Martin-made jet as well as the warfighting capabilities it would bring to the Polish military.

“They want to deepen their relationship with the United States of America in part by interoperability of advanced equipment,” Wilson said after a Meridian International Center event in Washington. “Those discussions are continuing. We’re providing the information that might be needed for them to make a decision.”

Poland has been looking to replace its Soviet-era MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-22 Fitter fighters for several years. Its air force has 31 MiG-29s and and 18 Su-22s, according to the International Institute for Strategic Studies’ 2019 Military Balance. In recent weeks, Polish officials said they would buy 32 F-35s.
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https://www.defenseone.com/business/2019/05...nd-f-35/156971/


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