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Praetorian
Da es bei den Infanteristen bisher keinen Sammelthread für News gab, und sich diese in den anderen Foren ganz gut bewährt haben, bin ich mal so vermessen und mache einen auf.

Zum Einstieg:
Die Norweger testen derzeit drei Kandidaten als potentielle Nachfolger des AG3 - SIG SG551 SB, C8 IUR und Heckler&Koch G36 KV3:
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Choosing the right rifle
The Norwegian Defence’s Logistics Organisation is now testing the candidates for the Armed Forces new choice of attack rifle.
The new rifle will be replacing the traditional AG-3, and representatives from all the branches of the Armed Forces are testing the different candidates.
The three candidates are the C8IUR from Canada, the G 36 KV3 from Germany and the SG 551SB from Switzerland.

Norwegisches MoD, 24. Oktober 2006
ppana
G36kv:
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Austauschbare Optiken, anderer Gewehrkolben.
Major_Steiner
Hab mir schon vor nem Monat mal überlegt ob ich so einen Thread aufmache... lol.gif

LINXX Security Services bietet in den USA Boarding-Ausbildung an.

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Learn to Board with LINXX in Little Creek

Small business qualifier LINXX Security Services in Virginia Beach, VA received a $16.3 million indefinite-delivery/ indefinite-quantity contract. The contracts covers instructors for the non-compliant boarding visit, board, search and seizure (NCB VBSS) and VBSS boarding officer courses on behalf of the Center for Security Forces in Little Creek, VA. Work will be performed in Norfolk, VA (30%); San Diego, CA (30%); Pearl Harbor, HI (20%); and Mayport, FL (20%), and is expected to be complete in September 2007. This contract was competitively procured as a 100 percent Small Business Set-Aside, and 9 offers were received by The Naval Air Warfare Center Training Systems Division in Orlando, FL (N61339-07-D-0003).

Bild: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/NAVY_Marines_Boarding_Exercise_lg.jpg (Bild automatisch entfernt)

Even with the advent of robotic USVs that have been used successfully near Iraq, humans who can board a ship and search it are still necessary. Special Forces like SEALs are performing these duties less often, other branches like the US Marines are being trained, and the US Navy's move to create expeditionary troops was also meant as a way to find other trained forces for this role. These skills are also relevant to the US Navy's drive to rebuild of its brown-water capabilities.


DID

Gruß,
Major Steiner
Waldteufel
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US guards train in 'close protection' work


The US Army has begun assigning troops in Iraq to work on close protection (CP) duties, a task typically performed by private security companies.

In a recent visit to a US training facility of private security company ArmorGroup in Virginia, Jane's observed members of the US National Guard practising CP drills with instructors.

The troops - from 1st Battalion, 149th Infantry of the Kentucky National Guard - were learning critical skills for their upcoming mission working on personal security details (PSDs) in Iraq. The National Guard was unable to provide further information as JDW went to press on whether additional units have received such training.

The US Army 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, in Iraq also employs military PSD teams to protect the unit's commanders.

It is unclear whether the PSD training is part of a comprehensive programme or an ad hoc response to security requirements. As JDW went to press, Multi-National Corps - Iraq had not responded to a Jane's enquiry about assignment of US troops in such roles.


http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jdw/jdw061023_2_n.shtml
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@sebbo

Die optische Gestaltung der neuen Schulterstütze ist zwar neu, nicht jedoch der Anbau an die Waffe als solches. Schau das Bild genau an - es ist deutlich das Klappschanier zu erkennen.
goschi
Ok, ein Paar grundsätzliche Regeln für diesen Thread:

1. bei englischen Texten eine kurze deutsche Zusammenfassung, um was es dabei grundsätzlich geht.
2. immer eine Quellenangabe anfügen
3. Spam wird rigoros geahndet
4. Diskussionen auf ein Minimum beschränken, nötigenfals neuen Thread aufmachen, oder in den Thread Der Infanterist portieren.


unnütze Diskussionen werde ich von Zeit zu Zeit kommentarlos löschen.



euer goschi (Mod)
Major_Steiner
Das USMC bekommt neue MTV's. Die Marines werden die neuen Westen ab Februar 2007 tragen, es handelt sich hier um eine Art Übergangslösung für 3-4 Jahre. Sie ist ein Pfund schwerer als die zu ersetzende Interceptor, bietet allerdings besseren Tragekomfort und Seitenschutz.

Hier die Interceptor:
Bild: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/GEAR_Interceptor_Body_Armor_lg.jpg (Bild automatisch entfernt)

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I Want My MTV - Marines Getting New Body Armor

Back on September 25, 2006, DefenseLINK announced that Protective Products International in Sunrise, FL had won a $33.6 million firm-fixed-price contract for 60,000 Modular Tactical Vests (MTVs) with associated training. The MTV is the US Marines' latest body armor vest, replacing the Interceptor OTV. Now Marine Times reports that Commandant Gen. Mike Hagee gave the new vest final approval on October 19.

Marines will start wearing it in February 2007, though it's reportedly only an interim solution over the next 3-4 years. It is a pound heavier than the Interceptor, but reportedly distributes its weight better and adds improved side protection. It uses the same ceramic armor inserts as the Interceptor, and key features include:

New MTV features include:

* A Rifle bolster to allow the shooter to seat his weapon into his shoulder for proper firing.

* Increased coverage in the lower back and kidney area, side torso and shoulder.

* Integrated side armor plate pouches. Some troops have complained that the side plates create serious movement and mobility problems, especially when exiting vehicles, and can therefore be more of a survival hindrance than help.

* Wiring channels for communications gear.

* An improved closure strap system, and also quick-release capability for fast exits

* Compatibility with MOLLE-type load-bearing systems that allows Marines to easily attach other load-bearing items such as packs, drinking systems, ammo pouches, etc. Following negative after-action reviews, the Marines no longer use the MOLLE system and adopted the ILBE system instead.

Work will be performed in Sunrise, FL (60%); Fenton, MO (25%); and, Lares, Puerto Rico (15%), and is expected to be complete December 2007. Contract funds in the amount of $33.6 million will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This award involved a limited competition with 3 proposals solicited (Marine Times reports that Paraclete Armor & Equipment Inc., of Saint Pauls, NC, and Crye Precision LLC, of Brooklyn, NY also bid on the contract). The Marine Corps Systems Command in Quantico, VA issued the contract. (M67854-06-C-3044)


DID

Gruß,
Major Steiner
Hummingbird
Ich hab eh nie verstanden warum die Interceptor den unteren Rücken so schlecht geschützt hat. Das Teil erinnert mich manchmal an „bauchfrei“.

Hier mal Bilder von der MTV:

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Anhand der Bilder wird deutlich warum die Einschränkung der Bewegungsfreiheit durch die Seiteneinschübe kritisiert wird. Die müssten in der Höhe verstellbar sein damit die Arme nicht zu sehr behindert werden.
stoenggi
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Compatibility with MOLLE-type load-bearing systems [...] Following negative after-action reviews, the Marines no longer use the MOLLE system and adopted the ILBE system instead.


Habe ich das richtig verstanden, die Marines gehen weg von MOLLE hin zu ILBE, da MOLLE den Truppentest nicht bestanden hat, aber dennoch wird an der neuen Weste auch der MOLLE Standard weiter verfolgt??

Was Jummingbird schreibt stimmt schon, die Seitenabdeckung müsste Höhenverstellbar sein. Was IMO aber fehlt sind optional anzubringende Oberarm/Schulter Abdeckungen, damit diese doch nicht ganz ungefährliche Lücke ebenfalls geschützt werden kann.
Major_Steiner
DRS Technologies schließt mit der US-Armee einen Vertrag über 76 Millionen Dollar ab. Geliefert werden 1.600 LTWS für M16/M4/AT-4, 3.900 MTWS für M249/M240B und 2.000 HTWS für M2/Mk19/M24/M107.

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$76M to DRS for over 7,500 Weapon Thermal Sights

DRS Technologies, Inc. announced that it has received approximately $76 million in new orders to produce next-generation advanced uncooled Thermal Weapon Sights II (TWS II) for U.S. Army soldiers. DRS makes thermal imaging night vision sights that currently support the U.S. Army, Marine Corps, Air Force and Special Operations forces, and the order was issued on behalf of US Army Program Executive Office Soldier by the Army's Communications-Electronics Command (CECOM) acquisition center in Fort Monmouth, NJ. It is is part of a competitively secured 5-year contract awarded to DRS in March 2004, with a total potential value of $375 million if all options are exercised.

The specific quantities, capabilities, and compatibile weapons for the thermal sights ordered are described below. We've also included links that explain how thermal sights work, and offer industry forecasts for the larger electro-optical market.

* 1,600 Light Thermal Weapon Sights (LTWS) for 5.56mm M-16/M4 assault rifles and M136/AT-4 anti-tank rockets. These sights include features like a 15 degree horizontal field-of-view lens designed for urban warfare and other and wide-view, close-in focus situations;

* 3,900 Medium Thermal Weapon Sights (MTWS) that mount to M249 "Minimi" 5.56mm Squad Automatic Weapons and M240B 7.62mm machine guns; and

* 2,000 Heavy Thermal Weapon Sights (HTWS) that mount to M2 .50 cal heavy machine guns and MK19 40mm grenade machine guns; and on sniper weapon systems like modified M4/M16s, the 7.62mm M24 sniper rifle, and the .50 cal M107 long range sniper rifle.

All members of DRS' thermal sight family offer 25um (1 mil) VOx resistive microbolometer (MMB) technology. The medium and heavy sights interface with a variety of 26mm, 52mm, 62mm, 103mm, 150mm and 156mm telescopes and have 3x e-zoom, vs. the light systems' 2x e-zoom. All are powered by relatively lightweight battery packs (4xL91s lasting 25 hours for LWTS, 6xL91 with 18 hour life for MWTS/HWTS). Menu-based, push-button controls are used for operating reticle selection and adjustment, polarity and brightness, while drop-in upgrades are meant to help 'future proof' the sights by making upgrades simpler.

Work will be performed by the company’s DRS Sensors & Targeting Systems - Optronics Division in Palm Bay and Melbourne, FlL; and by DRS' Infrared Technologies Division in Dallas, TX and Irvine, CA. The firm has recently expanded production facilities and operations in Florida and Dallas to meet the continuing and growing demand, and expects to be producing and delivering in excess of 1,000 systems per month by the end of the year.


DID

Gruß,
Major Steiner
nickless
QUOTE(stoenggi @ 4. Nov 2006, 11:48) [snapback]850184[/snapback]

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Compatibility with MOLLE-type load-bearing systems [...] Following negative after-action reviews, the Marines no longer use the MOLLE system and adopted the ILBE system instead.


Habe ich das richtig verstanden, die Marines gehen weg von MOLLE hin zu ILBE, da MOLLE den Truppentest nicht bestanden hat, aber dennoch wird an der neuen Weste auch der MOLLE Standard weiter verfolgt??


Das ist in dem Text etwas aus dem Zusammenhang gerissen:

MOLLE, also modular lightweight load-bearing equipment, bezeichnet die aktuelle Generation der Tragesysteme und Rucksäcke der US-Streitkräfte.
Das Marine Corps benutzt dabei nicht den MOLLE-Rucksack mit externem Kunststoff-Tragegestell (der in der ersten Generation praktisch nicht zu benutzen war), sondern einen eigenen, von Arc'teryx gebauten Rucksack, nämlich den ILBE.
Unabhängig davon benutzt das Marine Corps aber wie die Army das MOLLE-Tragesystem, das auf PALS (pocket attachment ladder system) zur Befestigung der modularen Taschen aufbaut.
goschi
QUOTE(ppana @ 25. Oct 2006, 13:49) [snapback]848116[/snapback]

G36kv:
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Austauschbare Optiken, anderer Gewehrkolben.

Bild: http://www.fofo.no/forsvaretsforum.no/filestore/Fravenstre-G36Sig552C8_DSC0152.jpg (Bild automatisch entfernt)
noch ein bild mehr
schaut euch zB mal die Magazine genauer an wink.gif
Hummingbird
Die Meldung ist zwar schon von Oktober aus der Europäischen Sicherheit, aber trotzdem erwähnenswert, wie ich meine.

Auftrag für »Infanterist der Zukunft«

Düsseldorf. Bei einem der wichtigsten Modernisierungsprojekte der Bundeswehr, dem System »Infanterist der Zukunft«, ist Rheinmetall mit der Projektierung des »Erweiterten Systems« beauftragt worden. Der Wert des Entwicklungsauftrags liegt im zweistelligen Millionenbereich. Bei der militärischen Beschaffung, die ab 2009 vorgesehen ist, sind erhebliche Stückzahlen zu erwarten. Das System wird zentraler Bestandteil der Ausrüstung von Bundeswehrsoldaten in ihren Einsätzen sein. Ziel des Technologieprogramms »Infanterist der Zukunft – Erweitertes System« (IdZ­ES) ist es, mittels modernster Ausrüstung eine umfassende Steigerung der Leistungsfähigkeit der Infanterietruppe im gesamten Einsatzspektrum zu erreichen und gleichzeitig Risiken für die Soldaten zu verringern.
Als umfassendes Ausrüstungskonzept für den Soldaten umfasst das System die Integration aller Sprach- und Kommunikationsmittel und ermöglicht die Einbindung in das Führungs- und Informationssystem des Heeres gemäß NATO-Standards. Damit ist gleichzeitig die volle Kompatibilität zur Ausstattung der Streitkräfte von Partner-Staaten gewährleistet.
Auch die Integration von »IdZ-ES« Technologien in unterschiedliche gepanzerte Fahrzeugsysteme wie PUMA, BOXER oder Lufttransportfahrzeuge ist Gegenstand der Projektierung, die 2008 mit der Lieferung von zwei » IdZ-ES«-Systemdemonstratoren an die Bundeswehr abgeschlossen sein wird. Im Rahmen der anschließenden Beschaffung sollen Infanterie, Panzergrenadier- und Luftwaffensicherungstruppe sowie spezialisierte Einsatzkräfte der Marine das neue System erhalten.
Major_Steiner
KAC erhält von der US Navy einen Vertag über 9.9 Mio. $. Für das Geld erhält die Navy eine bisher unbestimmte Zahl an Mk11 SRS (Sniper Rifle System) und entsprechendes Zubehör (Magazine etc.).

Bild: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/ORD_Mk11_Sniper_Rifle_lg.jpg (Bild automatisch entfernt)

$9.9M from US Navy for Mk11 Sniper Rifles

In a war where enemies are often hidden and happily commit war crimes like using human shields, snipers can be a commander's most effective battlefield asset. Knights Armament Company in Titusville FL recently received a potential $9.9 million firm-fixed-price, indefinite-delivery/ indefinite-quantity contract for the Mk11 Sniper Rifle System (SRS) and supporting spare parts (i.e. magazines, trigger assemblies, gas rings, etc.). The Mk11 SRS is a 7.62mm weapon system used in support of the US Marine Corps and US Special Operations Command. The KAC MK11 MOD0 Navy package is the now-famous SR25 specially manufactured by Knight's Armament for the US Navy SEALs following their May 2000 contract win, and reportedly has about 60% commonality with the M-16. Work will be performed in Titusville, FL and is expected to be complete by December 2011. This contract was not competitively procured by the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division in Crane, IN (N00164-07-D-4880).

The Mk11 SRS will be supplied with a 20 inch barrel rather than the 24-inch barrel of the commercial version, a move that forced Knight to do some additional redesign in order to ensure the same level of accuracy. The SRS order also includes a rail adapter system, two stage match grade trigger (4.5 pounds), custom bore guide, cartridge case deflector, rail covers, suppressor, 20 round magazines (10 each), 600-meter backup sight, folding front sight, bipod, scope, carrying case and operator's manual.


Quelle: DID

Gruß,
Major Steiner
Schnibbs
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SSK 6.5 MPC: Best Assault Rifle Cartridge for 21st Century Warfare?
Posted on Sunday, December 31 @ 11:54:47 PST by davidc
Bild: http://www.defensereview.com/images/topics/AvatarAmmo.jpg (Bild automatisch entfernt) by David Crane
david at defensereview.com
Small arms designer/developer J.D. Jones of SSK Industries has developed what may just prove to be a superior solution to the 6.8x43mm SPC (a.k.a. 6.8 SPC) and/or 6.5 Grendel (6.5x39mm) cartidges as a replacement for the 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge for U.S. military general infantry and Special Operations (USSOCOM) use. Mr. Jones is calling it the 6.5mm Multi-Purpose Cartridge (6.5 MPC), and on paper, it looks pretty good.
The 6.5 MPC (6.5x45mm) utilizes the...


standard 5.56x45mm NATO/.223 Rem. case. However, to maximize powder capacity (and thus projectile velocity and ballistic/terminal performance), Mr. Jones pushed the case shoulder back a tad and increased the size of the case neck so it would accept a 6.5mm bullet. The result? A 95-grain "SSK Solid" bullet travelling at a muzzle velocity (MV) of approx. 2600 fps out of a 12-inch (12") barrel and approx. 2800 fps out of a 20-inch (20") barrel. So, were' guessing around 2700 fps out of a 16-inch (16") barrel (unconfirmed/unverified). Pretty respectable. Muzzle velocities for the 110-grain Sierra HP version of the 6.5 SPC are 2480 fps (12") and 2731 fps (20"). MVs for the 120-grain "SMK" round are 2220 fps (12") and 2400 fps (20"). 120-grains is the upper limit of bullet weight for this cartridge. Anything above that affords limited ballistic returns. Impact energy (terminal energy) is reportedly 30-50% greater for the 6.5 MPC over the 5.56mm NATO, depending on bullet weights and types, while the weapon remains highly controlloble on full-auto.
The 6.5 MPC page at the SSK Industries website mentions that they've fired a 107-grain SMK round at 2400 fps out of a weapon with a 12"-barreled CQBR-type upper receiver and that effective engagement range is 300+ yards. With longer barrels, the distance is increased.
So, why the 6.5 MPC instead of the 6.8 SPC? Ease and cost of conversion (weapons conversion), ammo capacity, and ammo weight (ammo carry capacity at a given load weight). The 6.5 MPC utilizes standard AR-15/M16/M4/M4A1 magazines and bolts, and will function in both the SOPMOD M4/M4A1 Carbine and belt-fed FN M249 SAW/LMG, provided you switch out the barrel(s). No further modification is reportedly necessary. Mag capacity for the 6.5mm MPC is 30 rounds (although you might still want to down-load it to 28, as many do with 5.56mm ammo for reliability purposes). The 6.8mm SPC doesn't stack properly in standard 5.56mm M4/M4A1 mags, and the magazines that have been developed for it limit ammo capacity to 25 rounds, as opposed to 30 rounds, so the 6.8 SPC mags will fit inside current military mag carry pouches. You can also use 5.56 NATO stripper clips to load 6.5 MPC rounds into the mag. At present, there are no 6.8 SPC stripper clips.
6.5 MPC ammo will reportedly feed as reliably as 5.56x45mm NATO ball ammo can utilize standard M27 links (belt links) with no modification, so it will feed reportedly feed reliably through the M249 SAW. You only have to switch the barrel to 6.5mm caliber. Not so with the 6.8 SPC, which would require modification to the M27 link.
The 6.8 SPC cartridge weighs approx. 40% more than the 5.56mm NATO cartridge. That, combined with the fact that 6.8 SPC mags are made of steel instead of aluminum (making the magazine roughly twice as heavy), means that the infantry warfighter or Spec-Operator will be able to carry less rounds of 6.8 SPC vs. 6.5 MPC or 5.56 NATO.
Reported ammo carry capacity breakdown for the various cartridges at the same carry weight (specific weight unkown, and unconfirmed/unverified):
5.56 NATO: 10 x 30-round mags = 300 rounds
6.5 MPC: 9 x 30-round mags = 270 rounds
6.8 SPC: 7 x 25-round mags = 175 rounds

DefenseReview recommends that you read Stan Crist's article on the 6.5mm Multi-Purpose Cartridge in the #44 issue of Special Weapons for Military & Police (SWMP) magazine. That issue has a photo of a U.S. Ordnance M60E4/MK43 Mod1 Commando "light machine gun series" GPMG (7.62x51mm) on the cover, and the article is titled "SSK 6.5mm MPC: Multi-Purpose Cartridge delivers bet-your-life performance." While SSK Industries Website indicates that they developed the 6.5 MPC round at the behest of one Brian Hormberg (USMC), it should perhaps be noted that Stanley Crist mentions in his article that he wrote about his own idea for a 6.5mm assault rifle cartidge in the #36 Issue of Special Weapons for Military and Police. Mr. Crist called his cartridge the 6.5mm Standard Combat Cartridge (6.5 SCC).

Bottom line, if the 6.5 MPC proves reliable in the AR-15/M16 and SOPMOD M4/M4A1 platforms, is combat accurate out to realistic assault rifle engagement distances, and the AR-type upper receivers and barrels hold up to full-auto fire at high round count, then it may just be the ticket for the 5.56's replacement (and thus a better answer than the 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel) for infantry assault rifles and carbines. Time, money, and politics will tell.
If you'd like more info in the 6.5MPC cartridge and weapon conversions (i.e. upper receivers) that are available for it, Defense Review suggests that you contact SSK Industries.


Company Contact Info:

SSK Industries
590 Woodvue Lane
Wintersville, Ohio 43953
740-264-0176 Phone
740-264-2257 Fax
sskindust@1st.net Email



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Relevant Links to 6.5 MPC, 6.8 SPC, and 6.5 Grendel Discussions:

SSK 6.5mm MPC (Strategy Page)
6.5 MPC--Viable Alternative? (TheHighRoad.org)
6.5 MPC (Tank-Net.org)

6.5mm Grendel vs. Rem. 6.8mm SPC (Airborne Combat Engineer)


Acronyms:


USSOCOM - United States Special Operations Command
SPC - Special Purpose Cartridge CQBR - Close Quarters Battle Rifle
SAW - Squad Automatic Weapon
LMG - Light Machine Gun
GPMG - General Purpose Machine Gun SBR - Short-Barreled Rifle



Quelle: http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?n...cle&sid=970


Es geht um eine neue Infanteriepatrone, die SSK 6.5 MPC (6,5x45mm), die eine am Hülsenhals geweitete 5,56er Patronenhülse benutzt und in Konkurrenz zur 6.8 SPC und 6.5 Grendel steht.
Das Patronengweicht fällt relativ gering aus, 270 Patronen wiegen soviel wie 300 .223er.
Außerdem lassen sich M4/M16-Magazine sowie Verschlüsse weiterbenutzen.[/left]
stoenggi
Trotzdem sind aber die Projektielenergien im Ziel um 30 - 50% grösser als bei der .223Rem.

Dadurch dass nur der Lauf ausgewechselt werden muss halten sich auch die Kosten tief. Ich denke, dass das ein guter Ansatz ist und viele Vor- und Nachteile von .223 und .308 mit sich in einem guten Kompromiss vereint.
That's the way to go, IMO.
archibald_tuttle
Die Leute haben noch nicht mal einen Beschußversuch zu bieten, also was soll denn daran besser sein als an einer 5,56 x 45 mm. Es kommt auf die Zielwirkung an und die hängt (inbesondere im Nahbereich) von der Neigung des Geschosses ab im Ziel zu fragmentieren und zu taumeln.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Martin_Fackler

... und wenn das 6.5 MPC Geschoss langsamer und schwerer ist als das 5,56 x 45 mm, dann wird es genau das nicht tun.
http://6.5mpc.itgo.com/

Was soll die ganze Energie bringen, wenn sie nicht an das Ziel abgeben wird ?

Seit einem halben Jahr machen die jetzt Werbung für das Teil ...
http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/.../07/65_mpc.html
... und haben es nicht geschafft auf Gelantine zu schießen - oder einen Motorblock, Lehmziegel, Beton irgendwas ?

Das Teil hat genau soviel Zukunft wie 6.8 SPC und 6.5 Grendel. Das Geld sollten man lieber für HK416 und Aimpoints ausgeben, dann wird die Leistung der 5,56 x 45 auch genutzt.



Intelligente Bemerkungen von http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/1-9942.aspx

CONTROLLED PAIRS IN CQB HAVE NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE USE OF 5.56mm AMMUNITION. We use controlled pairs (quotes are not necessary, unless it's a fancy new term to you or something) because bullets of all calibers fail to stop regularly. When the range is close enough that even an indifferent marksman with an automatic weapon can score hits on you or your buddies if he does not get dropped fast, you would be insane to bet your life on a single round of *any* caliber.

My suspicion is that it starts with non-combat units whose members are failing on basic marksmanship fundamentals and want to blame lack of stopping power when the real problem is not hitting the target at all. At 2-300 meters how would someone with iron sights know?
Whuffo
Der komplette Text von John Farnam:

21Sept06
News from Glock-dom:

Friends at Glock tell me (1) Glock polymer, pistol frames are now being manufactured entirely in the USA (GA). The intent is to move a large portion of production over here from Europe. This is strong evidence that Glock is anticipating large, US military orders, where one condition will be that we apons be made within the borders of CONUS.

The USMC has taken the lead on designing the new, military pistol. However, certain semi-autonomous military units, weary of waiting on the military bureaucracy to make a decision, have, on their own, ordered quantities of G 22s, in 40S&W! So, it looks as if we'll end up with a mixture of pistols, and calibers, throughout the military system, no matter how hard those within t he system try to standardize on one. Interestingly, 40S&W is a good performer in its various high-performance manifestations, all of which feature controlled-expansion bullets. Conversely, 40S&W hardball doesn't perform much better than does 9mm hardball! Are these high-speed folks planning on being autonomous enough to procure their own, non-hardball ammunition inventory t oo?

(2) Glock's contender for this next, military pistol will look like a G21, only slimmer. The slide will be the same size, and it will still have a double-column magazine, but the grip will not be nearly as fat as is current ly the case with the G21. Right now, it's called the "SF45". In Glock numerology, the next number in line would be "G40," which wo uld, of course, generate no end of confusion, so the designation, for now anyway, is GSF45.

The Marines like 45GAP caliber, considering it a good performer, even in th e hardball configuration they believe themselves to be stuck with. However, vendors have been told there will be no new small-arms calibers in the military system for the foreseeable future. No 45GAP. No 6.8mm.

The issue is not performance. It's a ponderous military logistics system, combined with the extremely limited ammunition production capacity we find ourselves presently saddled with. Under the GH Bush and Clinton Administrations, our national archipelago military ammunition plants were all decommissioned, save one. We now discover, to our dismay, that one plant, with the assistance of virtually every major, domestic, private-sector ammunition manufacturer, still cannot keep up with demand, even in the relatively low- intensity conflict we're in right now (much less, a world war!). Under the GW Bush Administration, the situation has not improved. So, to get a new pistol ca liber ordered, produced, an into every military storage area (and there are thousands!), worldwide, in sufficient quantity to supply a major operation would take at least six years, more like ten! Accordingly, I'm told any new gun, rifl e or pistol, that ever sees the light of day, is going to have to shoot what we already have on hand (with all its faults). The new pistol will be chambered for 45ACP. NATO pressure to stick with 9mm are, at least for the present, being ignored.

(3) The SF45 will have an ambidextrous, two-position, manual safety. It is designed to mostly disengage itself as the shooter acquires a normal, shooting grip. But, it must be manually, consciously re-engaged. Resemble s a cross-bolt. Magazine release is ambidextrous/switchable. The ostensible necessity for a manual safety is still being hotly debated, but the "pro" side currently has the upper hand.

(4) The "G36 Tactical" will soon make its appearance. The current G36 is Glock's slim, single-column, compact 45ACP carry gun. I carry my co py regularly, and it is a great concealment pistol. Now, imagine a G36 with a five-inch slide! Apparently, there is a big demand for a Glock pistol that is close to the dimensions of a 1911. The customer is always right!

(5) Those anticipating the debut of Glock's long-awaited 223 rifle a nd/or staple-gun, will still be waiting this time next year! Glock is trying to get it produced, but we've been hearing about it for ten years now, and I suspe ct the military pistol project is consuming so much attention that no Glock rifle will see the light of day in the foreseeable future.

Both the GSF45 and the G36T will be making their debut at the 2007 SHOT Sho w in Orlando, FL in January.





Und jetzt das für diesen Thread interessante als Ausschnitt: wink.gif

However, vendors have been told there will be no new small-arms calibers in the military system for the foreseeable future. No 45GAP. No 6.8mm.

The issue is not performance. It's a ponderous military logistics system, combined with the extremely limited ammunition production capacity we find ourselves presently saddled with. Under the GH Bush and Clinton Administrations, our national archipelago military ammunition plants were all decommissioned, save one. We now discover, to our dismay, that one plant, with the assistance of virtually every major, domestic, private-sector ammunition manufacturer, still cannot keep up with demand, even in the relatively low- intensity conflict we're in right now (much less, a world war!). Under the GW Bush Administration, the situation has not improved. So, to get a new pistol ca liber ordered, produced, an into every military storage area (and there are thousands!), worldwide, in sufficient quantity to supply a major operation would take at least six years, more like ten! Accordingly, I'm told any new gun, rifl e or pistol, that ever sees the light of day, is going to have to shoot what we already have on hand (with all its faults). The new pistol will be chambered for 45ACP. NATO pressure to stick with 9mm are, at least for the present, being ignored.






Whuffo
Major_Steiner
Das US Marine Corps hat bei OSTI (Optical Systems Technology Inc.) nach Tests durch USSOCOM und MARSOC
800 MAGNUM Universal Night Sights (MUNS) bestellt. Der Vertrag ermöglicht eine Erweiterung auf eine Gesamtliefermenge von 4.700 Stück und einem max. Kostenvolumen von 39.9 Mio. $. MUNS ist leichter und leistungsstärker als das eingeführte AN/PVS-22.

Bild: MUNS

OSTI Wins Special Orders for Clip-On Night Sights

OSTI has a number of products in this area, and the US Marines certainly take their weapon sights seriously. A direct enquiry revealed more about the specific sight selected, the quantities involved, and the customer - MARSOC....

Equiries to OSTI revealed that its MAGNUM Universal Night Sight™ (MUNS) won the Marine Corps award against two other finalists. USSOCOM purchased and tested OSTI's initial run of 8 MUNS units, and MARSOC has also tested and fielded OSTI's AN/PVS-22 Universal Night Sight™ and MUNS. The initial order is for about 800 MUNS units and is in fact destined for MARSOC, the new US Marines special operations unit being stood up as part of US Special Operations Command (SOCOM). The contract provides for a maximum of 4,700 units, and contains options that would bring the estimated maximum value of the contract to $39.9 million if exercised.

The MAGNUM Universal Night Sight™ gathers about twice as much light as the PVS-22, and can be used to engage targets at about 1.5 times the range. Under starlight-only conditions, vehicle detection range is about 3150 meters and detection of a human is listed as 1,350 meters. These ranges will lengthen if moonlight is added. Weight is 3.2 pounds, and the unit takes 2 AA batteries with a battery life of over 60 hours in favorable conditions of 25C/80F temperatures.

Paul Maxin, President of Optical Systems Technology, stated "Various [US Department of Defense] organizations have procured and fielded over 3,000 AN/PVS-22 Universal Night Sights™, and MAGNUM Universal Night Sights™" to date.

Work on this contract will be performed in Freeport, PA and is expected to be complete by December 2007 (December 2011 with options). This contract was competitively procured via publication on the Navy Electronic Commerce On-line website, with 4 offers received (M67854-07-D-1058).


Quelle: DID

Informationen über MUNS

Gruß,
Major Steiner
anschobi
die neue glock:
Bild: http://www.topglock.com/images/glock21slim.jpg (Bild automatisch entfernt)
Bild: http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2360/g21sf01vk4.jpg (Bild automatisch entfernt)
What's New With the Glock 21 Slimline?

Slimmer Frame size
Ambidextrous magazine release
Full Picatinny rail
Major_Steiner
Mantech räumt für 156 Mio. $ Minen im Irak, in Kuwait und Afghanistan. Auftraggeber ist die US Army, Mantech schickt EOD Teams.

Mantech Wins up to $156M to Support Counter-Mine Equipment et. al. within CENTCOM

ManTech International Corporation recently announced that it had received a contract in the Q4 2006 to support mine-clearing and other systems for the U.S. Army in numerous locations within Iraq, Afghanistan and Kuwait. The US Army Communications Electronics Life Cycle Command issued the he competitively awarded task order under a Rapid Response contract. ManTech is a lead subcontractor to VSE Corporation in Alexandria, VA, and the contract has a base-period and option-period, with a total potential value to ManTech of $159 million over 16 months. As IED land mines have proliferated in combat theaters, ManTech has built a strong competitive position in the area of maintaining route clearance and countermine equipment.

ManTech will provide services as ordered under the task including deployed sustainment management; deployed logistics and repairs management; unique system training and curriculum support; and resource management and acquisition. ManTech will also support unique and specialized systems including the mine-clearing, Joint Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Rapid Response Vehicle (JERRV, aka. Cougar). Services will be provided in Southwest Asia - including Iraq, Afghanistan and Kuwait, for the Program Management Assured Mobility Systems and the U.S. Army Tank and Automotive Command.


Quelle: DID

Gruß,
Major Steiner
DemolitionMan
Ein längerer Artikel über das HK 416: http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2007/...70219forafmcnt/
maschinenmensch
ZITAT(goschi @ 9. Nov 2006, 22:55) [snapback]851264[/snapback]
Bild: http://www.fofo.no/forsvaretsforum.no/filestore/Fravenstre-G36Sig552C8_DSC0152.jpg (Bild automatisch entfernt)
noch ein bild mehr
schaut euch zB mal die Magazine genauer an wink.gif


Keine Knubbel dran, oder. Genial, dann kriegt man die Dinger vielleicht mal unter einer Minute aus der Magazintasche. Das G36, so wie abgebildet, würd mir schon gefallen. Hätte sogar einen schönen B-Klasse Tresor, in dem es sich wohl fühlen würde....

mm. out
Major_Steiner
Ich packs mal hier rein, auch wenn es für alle Bundeswehrler gelten soll:

ZITAT
Viel Zustimmung zur Erhöhung des Wehrsolds

Von Stephan Löwenstein, Berlin

26. März 2007
Aus allen Fraktionen des Bundestags erschallt inzwischen die Forderung nach einem höheren Wehrsold. Offen und umstritten zwischen Verteidigungs- und Haushaltspolitikern der Koalition ist allerdings, ob dafür der Verteidigungsetat erhöht werden soll. Der verteidigungspolitische Sprecher der CDU/CSU, Siebert, sagte am Montag der F.A.Z., er erachte eine Erhöhung um zwei Euro pro Tag für sinnvoll. Darin stimmte Siebert mit dem Bundeswehrverband und dem Koalitionspartner überein. Die SPD-Verteidigungspolitiker hatten sich nach einer Klausurtagung ebenfalls für eine „signifikante Erhöhung“ der Bezüge für Grundwehrdienstleistende eingesetzt. Sie liegen seit neun Jahren unverändert bei durchschnittlich acht Euro täglich.

Die SPD will zudem den Wehrsold künftig im gleichen Maße steigen lassen wie die Löhne und Gehälter im öffentlichen Dienst. Nach Schätzungen würde jeder Euro mehr an Wehrsold 23 Millionen Euro pro Jahr kosten.

15 Millionen Euro Kosten

Überdies wird in der Koalition, wie es heißt, darüber nachgedacht, die Anpassung der Bezüge in Ost und West auf den 1. Januar 2008 vorzuziehen. Bislang ist die nächste Angleichung auf 2010 (also nach der nächsten Bundestagswahl) festgeschrieben. Das Vorziehen würde etwa 15 Millionen Euro kosten.

Auch aus den Oppositionsparteien, die grundsätzlich die Wehrpflicht ablehnen, wurde die Forderung nach einem höheren Sold erhoben. Die verteidigungspolitische Sprecherin der FDP-Fraktion, Homburger, sagte der F.A.Z.: „Solange die Bundesregierung aus ideologischen Gründen an der Wehrpflicht festhält, muss sie auch für eine angemessene Besoldung ihrer Soldaten sorgen. Die jungen Männer, die zum Dienst gezwungen werden, dürfen nicht auch noch zu den Sparschweinen des Verteidigungsministeriums gemacht werden.“ Die FDP fordere daher eine angemessene Erhöhung des Wehrsolds.

„Wäre auch unter Rot-Grün fällig gewesen“

Der Grünen-Sicherheitspolitiker Nachtwei bezeichnete einen solchen Schritt als „überfällig“ und verlangte, dass die Politiker, die sich in Sonntagsreden für den Erhalt der Wehrpflicht starkmachten, das jetzt durchsetzten. „Zugegeben, das wäre einige Jahre früher auch unter Rot-Grün fällig gewesen“, sagte Nachtwei. Er sieht allerdings keine Notwendigkeit, dafür den Etat zu erhöhen, denn es gebe erfahrungsgemäß genug Spielraum.

Anders als der SPD-Fraktionsvorsitzende und frühere Verteidigungsminister Struck hält sich der Unions-Fraktionsvorsitzende Kauder in dieser Frage vorerst zurück. Struck sagte zuletzt, er habe „Verständnis für die, die eine moderate Erhöhung fordern“. Er fügte allerdings hinzu, nun sei Minister Jung (CDU) am Zug. Auch Jung hält sich bislang bedeckt, wohl aus Rücksicht auf die Etatverhandlungen.

Text: löw./F.A.Z.


Quelle: FAZ.net

Gruß,
Major Steiner
Racer
Norwegen führt H&K 416 ein

...Zumindest wenn man dem Link (gefunden bei mp.net) glauben schenken darf:

Norwegische Zeitung

Kann das jemand bestätigen?

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Edit: Hier noch Infos (in Englisch):

"According to the Norwegian national newspaper Aftenposten a contract was signed on the 12th of April 2007 between H&K and the Norwegian armed forces for delivery of 8200 H&K 416 service rifles to the armed forces for a total price of 100 million NOK.
Simultaneously a contract was signed between the armed forces and the Swedish firm Aimpoint AB for delivery of sighting systems to the new rilfes for the total price of 50 million NOK.

Looks like a compromise between H&K and Armalite there .
Strange thing is that this weapon was not among the 3 official final contenders (H&K G36, M-4 and SIG) in the procurement process.

Let's hope the new rifle's got rid of most of the worst features of the AR-15 family, though some of those ungodly small, fragile and fiddly coil springs I guess must still be there."
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Zusammengefasst:

-8200 HK 416 für 100 Mio Nok (--> ca. 2000$/Gewehr) (Vorsicht: Ersatzteile etc. sind hier mit drin!).
-Aimpoint Optiken für 50 Mio NOK.
lastdingo
Hmm, ich weiß ja, dass die G3 und MG3 hatten. Aber hatten die nicht auch schon längst G36?
DemolitionMan
Wundert mich auch, dass sie sich fürs 416 entschieden haben, obwohl doch schon Einheiten das G36KV verwenden. Naja, H&K wirds trotzdem freuen.
planlos
ZITAT(lastdingo @ 13. Apr 2007, 14:38) [snapback]876656[/snapback]
Hmm, ich weiß ja, dass die G3 und MG3 hatten. Aber hatten die nicht auch schon längst G36?

Nur ein paar Spezialeinheiten haben G36.
archibald_tuttle
ZITAT(Racer @ 13. Apr 2007, 09:52) [snapback]876622[/snapback]
Norwegen führt H&K 416 ein

...Zumindest wenn man dem Link (gefunden bei mp.net) glauben schenken darf:

Norwegische Zeitung

Kann das jemand bestätigen?


Heute auf der HK-Seite:

Als erstes Mitgliedsland der NATO entscheidet sich Norwegen für die Einführung des HK416 als Standardbewaffnung.

Das Auftragsvolumen des am 12. April 2007 in Norwegen unterzeichneten Vetrages liegt in zweitstelliger Millionenhöhe. Weitere Lieferoptionen hat sich die Norwegische Regierung einräumen lassen.

Nach eingehenden Produkttests aller an der Ausschreibung beteiligten Sturmgewehrsysteme ging Heckler & Koch mit dem HK416 als klarer Sieger hervor.


Das HK416 wird die bisherige Standardbewaffnung der Norwegischen Streitkräfte sukzessive ersetzen. Norwegen setzt mit dem nach dem Baukastensystem entwickelten HK416 auf eines der derzeit modernsten Sturmgewehre der Welt. Erste Auslieferungen erfolgen in der zweiten Jahreshälfte 2007.

heckler-koch.de
DemolitionMan
The Army's New Land Warrior Gear: Why Soldiers Don't Like It: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...715.html?page=1


Kurze Zusammenfassung: Schwerer elektronischer Krempel, der für den einfachen Schützen meist unnötig ist bzw. nicht benutzt wird und Platz für Munition etc wegnimmt und auch noch dank der langen Entwicklungszeit und der teils prekären finanziellen Lage teilweise unausgegorene Komponenten enthält, an dem aber trotzdem festgehalten wird nach dem Motto, "das man sich schon daran gewöhnen wird".
Major_Steiner
Der US-Kongress hat einer Anfrage der irakischen Streikräfte zugestimmt, es geht um Munition und Treibstoff im Gesamtwert von bis zu 508 Mio.$. Ich poste das jetzt einfach mal hier, da die Munition ja für Handfeuerwaffen gebraucht wird und der Treibstoff vllt. weniger interessant ist.

ZITAT
Iraq Buying Up to $508M in Fuel & Ammo

The US Defense Security Cooperation Agency has notified Congress of Iraq's request of various small arms ammunition, explosives, and other consumables as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $508 million.

The contractors are unknown at this time, and there are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale, which includes 75 million gallons of diesel fuel, $56.4 million gallons of MOGAS (gasoline), and 2.9 million gallons of JP-8 jet fuel. Iraq is also looking to buy ammunition for small arms, grenades, pyrotechnics, and explosives for demolition that includes:

* 600,000 rounds 12 Gauge 00 Buckshot
* 16 million rounds 9mm Ball
* 100 million rounds M855 5.56 Ball
* 40 million rounds 5.56mm Tracer
* 50 million rounds 5.56mm Blank
* 36 million rounds 5.56mm 4 Ball/1 Tracer
* 30 million rounds 7.62mm 4 Ball/1 Tracer
* 10 million rounds M118 7.62 X 51mm Ball
* 100 million rounds 7.62mm X 39mm Ball
* 20 million rounds .50 Caliber 4 Ball/1 Tracer
* 170,000 rounds 40mm HEDP Grenade
* 80,000 C4 1-pound blocks
* 4.2 million Feet Detonating Cord
* 110,000 Feet Time Fuze
* 20,000 Time Fuze Igniter
* 20,000 Non-Electric Blasting Caps
* 112,500 M14 Non-Electric Blasting Caps
* 180,00 Flash Bang Grenades, useful in dazzling enemies when entering buildings
* 20,000 HC Smoke Grenades
* 20,000 Yellow Smoke Grenades

The ammunition order is representative of the growing duality of small arms within the Iraqi forces: Russian 7.62mm, and American 5.56mm weapons whose introduction was accelerated by the September 2006 weapon request. The contracts will also include the usual logistics support services/equipment spare and repair parts; support equipment, publications and documentation; personnel training and training equipment; U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistics support.


Quelle: DID

Artikel vom letzten
September


offizielles PDF

Gruß,
Major Steiner
Nite
Wer erinnert sich noch an CornerShot?
Hier die neueste Erfindung aus der VR China:
Bild: http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1458/74172729dw8.jpg (Bild automatisch entfernt)
ZITAT
A visitor looks at a Chinese made HD66 nonlinear observation flat system for special forces, during the China international exhibition on police equipment and anti terrorism technology and equipment in central Beijing, 17 May 2007
Bild: http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/905/74193031ri0.jpg (Bild automatisch entfernt)
ZITAT
A visitor checks out a Chinese made weapons platform for the special police forces, at the eve of the China International Exhibition on Police Equipment and Anti Terrorism Technology and Equipment on May 16, 2007 in Beijing, China. The three-day exhibition opened on May 17.
Major_Steiner
"Erfindung" in Anführungszeichen. Mit dem Copyright haben die es eben nicht so... wink.gif

Gruß,
Major Steiner
Racer
LSAT
Bild: http://www.gun-world.net/usa/mg/lwmg/conf_3a_0017.jpg (Bild automatisch entfernt)
Kann sich noch jemand an die Studie für ein zukünftiges leichtes MG der Amis erinnern? Mit Teleskop oder hülsenloser Muition?

Hier ist ein Video mit dem Teleskopmunition Proto (bei 1:45):
Video

Hier noch Infos:
Infos
Infos2
Infos3



Major_Steiner
Kanada, Israel und andere kaufen CORAl-Systeme von Elbit Systems Ltd. für insgesamt 50 Mio. $.

Bild: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/ELEC_Thermal_Imager_El-Op_CORAL_lg.jpg (Bild automatisch entfernt)

ZITAT
Elbit's Elop Sells $50M in CORAL NV Gear

Elbit Systems Electro-Optics Elop Ltd. ("Elop") announces several contracts valued at about $50 million to supply its hand-held CORAL Thermal Imaging night vision systems to the Canadian Forces, Israel's IDF, and "additional customers worldwide."

Elop's CORAL systems are compact and lightweight (less than 2.5 kg/ 5.5 pounds) thermal imaging viewers that are carried by an infantry soldier on a neck-strap. They can be used to view targets at night at tactical ranges, either from fixed positions or while in motion. The systems are also optimized for low energy consumption, which is important to already-overloaded infantry soldiers who would otherwise have to carry the additional batteries.


DID-Artikel
Release von Elbit Systems Ltd.
PDF über CORAL

Gruß,
Major Steiner
Nite
ZITAT
Source: Jane's Defence Weekly, 30/5/07:

The USMC is seeking an Infantry Automatic Rifle (IAR) to replace the M249 SAW.

Lt Col Tracy Tafolla, project manager infantry weapons for USMC Systems Command, stated that a capabilities document outlining the requirements was expected to be issued within the next four to six weeks. The new weapon would be chambered in 5.56mm and would provide enhanced accuracy and reliability over the M249. Initial operating capability is expected in first quarter of 2009 FY.

Sources have described the IAR as being similar in concept to the BAR. It is clearly intended to be handier than the M249, which is more of a mini-GPMG.

Prototype contracts are said to have been issued in 2006 to FN Herstal and GD-Armament & Technical Products, but this seems odd if the USMC hasn't even sorted out the requirements yet. I would also be surprised if they omitted the STK Ultimax 100 at such an early date, since that seems to be the best match for what they want.
Hummingbird
Es wird erhöhte Zuverlässigkeit für das neue SAW gefordert?
Gibt es beim Minimi da Probleme?
Whuffo
@ Hummingbird

http://images.military.com/pix/defensetech...d0015259_a2.pdf

ZITAT
The M9 and M249 were reported to have the most stoppages and the highest resulting negative impact.



Es gibt noch einen anderen, ähnlichen Bericht den ich gerade aber nicht finde.



Whuffo
Hawkeye
ZITAT
USMC Seeks New LMG
by James Dunnigan
June 8, 2007
Discussion Board on this DLS topic

For the last two years, the U.S. Marine Corps has been shopping for a new light (5.56mm) machine-gun (LMG), to replace the M249, which the army and marines began using in the early 1980s. The marines have had a lot of complaints about the M249 in Iraq (jams from all the dust and sand), and many of the marine M249s are simply wearing out.

The new marine IAR (Infantry Automatic Rifle) must be between 10.5 and 12.5 pounds empty, use a large magazine (100 rounds or more) as well as the standard M-16 30 round magazine. The heavy barrel on the IAR must be able to handle sustained fire of 36-75 rounds a minute. The higher number is the ideal. It must have the standard rail on top for mounting accessories, be resistant to jamming from dust and sand and, in general, be a lot better than the M249. The marines will buy 4,000 weapons initially, and wants to do so soon.

The M249 weighs 15 pounds empty, and has been popular with the troops. But in over two decades, despite several tweaks to the basic design, many complaints have piled up. The marines were not the first ones to take action on a replacement. Three years ago SOCOM (U.S. Special Operations Command) began using the Mk 46 Light Machine Guns. This weapon is a modified version of the American M249 squad automatic weapon (SAW), which is in turn a modified version of a European design from the Belgian firm FN. The Mk 46 is lighter (13 pounds empty, 18 pounds loaded, with 200 rounds, compared to 22 pounds for the M249) and has the rail on top for the quick attachment of sights and such. The lighter weight is accomplished with a newly designed barrel, and removing various bits of hardware SOCOM didn't want. Added is a forward pistol grip and a detachable bipod. SOCOM likes to use the Mk 46 more like a "heavy assault rifle" than a "light machine-gun."

U.S. Army Special Forces pioneered the development of the 5.56mm light machine-gun four decades ago, when they obtained the first experimental models for use in Vietnam. The Special Forces and SEALs were very impressed with the light weight, and heavy firepower, from these weapons. But it took over a decade for the regular army to adopt such a weapon, mainly in response to the success the Russians were having with their own version of the lightweight squad machine-gun.

The army is also making noise about an M249 replacement, and are watching the marine competition with great interest. So far the marines have received interesting proposals from Colt and Ultimax (from Singapore).


Q: http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20076825818.asp
goschi
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/07/army_rifle_070715/

kurz: der US kongress fordert eine Neubewertung des M4A1 Carbine in einer Staubumgebung, inkl. Vergleich zu den aktuellen Konkurenten (FN SCAR, Hk 416, (X)M8)

ZITAT
By Matthew Cox - Staff writer
Posted : Friday Jul 20, 2007 11:54:17 EDT

Yielding to congressional pressure, the Army will conduct a test in August to see if the M4 carbine soldiers take to war is the most reliable weapon available in sand-storm conditions.

The test will compare how the M4 performs against a select group of newer, more compact rifles when exposed to a “dust chamber” at the Army Test and Evaluation Center at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Md., said Col. Carl Lipsit, project manager for Soldier Weapons.

See the other rifles in action

[...]
Praetorian
Und die Franzosen wollen auch was neues:

ZITAT
French DGA issues RFI for GPMGs
The French Délégation Générale pour l'Armement (DGA) has issued a Request for Information (RFI) covering 10,880 NATO-standard 7.62 mm x 51 mm general-purpose machine guns (GPMGs). The move signalled that the French armed forces' AANF1 GPMG is to be phased out.

Jane's Defence Weeky, 01. August 07
maschinenmensch
Spanien beschafft MG4:

HK-Meldung

Bin ja gespannt was die Franzosen für ein MG kaufen. Hat nicht GIAT Anteile an FN? Dann wäre das MAG ja die logische Wahl. Andererseits ist das vielleicht ein Anreiz für HK endlich mit der 7.62x51 Version des MG4 heraus zurücken. Wir werden sehen...

mm. out
KSK
ZITAT(maschinenmensch @ 5. Aug 2007, 12:25) [snapback]893002[/snapback]
Dann wäre das MAG ja die logische Wahl.



Naja, MAG und MG4 sind ja dann doch zwei untershciedliche Paar Schuhe, ich würde als Äquivalent zum MG4 (und wohl auch Vorbild dessen) eher das M249 SAW/Minimi sehen. Und zumindest in der Para-Version haben die Franzosen das schon länger im Einsatz.
maschinenmensch
Ich bezog mich mit dem Satz nach dem Link auf den Post von "Praetorian", wo von einer Ausschreibung für ein neues GPMG für die französische Armee berichtet wird. Und da geht es um 7.62x51, was HK im Bereich Gasdrucklader-MG noch nicht im Angebot hat. Also müsste ein MG4 im genannten Kaliber her. Alle Klarheiten beseitigt? smile.gif

mm. out

Holzkopp
Wobei mich da interessiert, was die Franzosen am ANF1 unzeitgemäß finden und was das Anforderungsprofil an das neue GPMG ist. Anders gefragt: was kann ein MAG besser als ein ANF1?

Weiter gedacht: was bietet der Markt in dem Segment denn noch was als Ersatz Sinn macht?
Kreuz As
Thema abgetrennt.
anschobi
ein neues sniper rifle bei der us army
ist auch ein interessanter abschnitt über das m14 dabei
ZITAT
The Army's New Sniper Rifle
Soldier of Fortune | Gary Paul Johnston | August 21, 2007
By now it is well known that the U.S. Army established a need to standardize a sniper rifle in 7.62x51mm NATO caliber. This was necessary in order to field one such rifle for precision sniping and to replace the literal myriad of sniper rifles currently in the system. For the record, these sniper rifles include the venerable M14 semi-automatic rifle and the M24 Remington bolt action rifle, the Mk 11 and others, which have been purchased by individual SOCOM units.

In the wake of 9/11 and America's entry into the Global War On Terrorism (G-WOT), most of the remaining 40,000 M14 rifles in the U.S. military's inventory (mostly the U.S. Navy) have been taken out of storage in order to be re-built as precision semi-automatic rifles for sniping use. Many of these rifles that weren't destroyed during the Clinton Era were given to "friendly" countries and there has also begun a move to "buy" some of them back.

The M14's popularity as a sniper rifle dates back to its development as a National Match competition rifle during the 1960's, its evolution into the M21 Sniper Rifle used in the Vietnam War, and its evolution into the XM25 Sniper Rifle by the U.S. Army and Navy in the years that followed. Properly fitted, the M14 is capable of extremely good accuracy and is highly reliable, but it has had less than optimum results from being used with a sound suppressor. Still, the M14 has made the transition into a 21st Century Sniper Rifle as the DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) by the United States Marine Corps and its more recent transformation by the U.S. Special Operations Command (USSOCOM).

Being a highly modified Model 700 Remington bolt-action repeating rifle, the M24 is capable of great precision accuracy. However, lessons were relearned in Somalia and in target-rich environments encountered in the G-WOT that a self-loading rifle can be fired in succession 4 to 5 times faster than a bolt action rifle. Thus, the Army was determined to standardize a semi-automatic sniper rifle.

The third rifle mentioned is the Mk 11, a refined version of the SR- 25 (Stoner Rifle-25) rifle, which is made by Knight's Armament Company, of Titusville, Florida. Like the others, the Mk 11 is chambered for the 7.6x51mm NATO cartridge, but it contains modifications dictated by the U.S. Navy SEALS, which is a member of the SOCOM. However, using the Mk 11 identified issues that the Army found desirable in an AR10-style sniper rifle.

In an effort to obtain an optimum 7.62mm NATO Sniper Rifle, the Army issued a solicitation for a rifle to meet the specification of what it called the Semi-Automatic Sniper System (SASS). Note that, as opposed to the Mk 11 Sniper Rifle and others, the rifle meeting SASS requirements would not be produced in selective fire. Previously, some self-loading sniper rifles were looked upon as support weapons for the main sniper rifle, which was often a bolt-action repeater. While these self-loading support sniper rifles could be used alongside the repeating rifle, they were not considered as being on a par with the primary sniping rifle, but could be used in a selective fire role in case of an attack.

With the obvious merits of current self-loading sniper rifles, these weapons came to be seen as the potential equal to the bolt-action repeater in accuracy, not to mention their superiority in a target rich environment such as has been common in the G-WOT. Filling this requirement was the underlying factor of the SASS Program. The rifle itself was designated the XM110.

Without re-printing the myriad requirements of the SASS Program, the two main points of the rifle was that it was to be chambered for the 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Winchester) cartridge, and that it be capable of semi-automatic ONLY fire. The current trend is for the sniper to transport his precision rifle slung while using an M4 or similar 5.56mm rifle for close-range defense in route, and to defend his position once deployed.

In addition to the above requirements, SASS candidate rifles were to be M1913 ("Picatinny") friendly in terms of mounting a wide range of optics and other accessories, and be able to mount a sound suppressor and a bipod. Also specified were a "Match Grade" trigger, a 20-round magazine, an adjustable butt stock, and a high degree of accuracy.

A number of manufacturers answered the SASS solicitation with a variety of rifles based on either the AR-10 design or that of the FN-FAL. While all of these rifles, no doubt, performed well, where all categories were considered, one would float to the top, and that was the submission from Knight's Armament Company (KAC). Each company submitted five rifles and each was subjected to a variety of testing criteria. All five samples were later returned to each company with a full performance report and only the company that submitted the rifles would see the report on how its rifles performed.

Report Card With a Gold Star

While I was not able to examine the reports of other submissions, I do have a copy of the report furnished to the winner, KAC. Among a long list of other impressive performances, the KAC SASS submission averaged 0.65-inch minute of angle (MOA) accuracy. While the rifles submitted by other manufacturers may be billed by names containing the acronym "SASS," only the KAC rifle was given the US Military designation XM110.

After first seeing the KAC XM110 at the 2006 SHOT Show, I got a closer look at it several months later during the National Defense Industries Association (NDIA) meeting in Albuquerque, New Mexico, where I also saw it fired by Colonel David Lutz, USMC (ret.). Soon after, I traveled to KAC's facility in Titusville, Florida, where the XM110 is produced, for an in-depth glimpse of why the rifle won the XM110 contract.

Like the original Stoner-designed Armalite AR-10 rifle built by Armalite during the early 1950's and the AR- 15/M16, SR-25 and Mk 11 rifles that followed, the XM110 operates by direct gas instead of using a gas piston system. In all of these rifles and their many clones, high-pressure gas is directed from a port in the barrel back through a tube and into the rifle's bolt carrier, which in this case acts as the rifle's gas cylinder. As the hot gas expands inside the carrier, it drives the carrier rearward against the back of the rifle's bolt, which here acts as the gas piston. As this occurs, equal gas pressure pushes forward against the bolt, thereby taking some of the rearward load away from this part and reducing the wear on its bolt lugs.

Since both the bolt and carrier travel back and forth the full-length of the operation, using the late Colonel George Chinn's description of weapon operating systems, the above rifles could be classed as long-stroke gas cylinder and piston via direct gas.

Design, Materials and Execution

Based on Eugene Stoner's original AR-10 design, the XM110 is the latest word in the SR-25 and Mk 11, which evolved from that 60-year old design. However, the original wellproven design is only refined and is not really changed.

The one change that could be called revolutionary is in the design of the locking lugs of the bolt. Not being interchangeable with any other AR-10 descendant, this bolt is far stronger than the original.

First appearing in KAC's SR-15 and SR-16 rifles, these radiused locking lugs along with a balanced extractor and other features defined these 5.56mm rifles as arguably the finest AR-15 variants on the planet. While the selective-fire SR- 16 continues in production for the military, the semi-automatic SR-15 was sadly discontinued in the wake of Nine-Eleven due to expanding military requirements. Hopefully, with KAC's giant new facility, SR-15 production will resume.

Other, less subtle changes in the XM110 include KAC's new URX (Upper Rail Extension) system, ambidextrous magazine release and a butt stock that is adjustable for length of pull. This stock also has a monopod for elevation.

Now incorporated on all KAC Stoner-type rifles, the URX rail system locks rigidly onto the barrel by tightening a nut in a method very similar to securing the barrel of a Savage Model 110 rifle. However, the top rail of the URX is first perfectly aligned with that of the upper receiver using a special fixture, and the front sight folds down into the URX rail to become part of it, when not in use. The result is a top rail as true as a monolithic system.

Quite ingenious is KAC's new ambidextrous magazine release. Effective, but simple, the release button on the left side is similar to that on the right, but is slightly lower and pivots to cam the release. This new ambidextrous release system will be incorporated into all KAC rifles.

Although it resembles a standard SR-25 fixed stock, the butt stock of the XM110 is adjustable for length of pull by turning a knurled wheel in the stock to extend or retract the butt plate. The vertical monopod raises and lowers the butt for elevation.

Using the finest materials available, more than thirty of the most modern CNC machines produce the components of the XM110 and other rifles, as well as the KAC XM110 Sound Suppressor and other KAC products, such as the company's family of night-vision optics. All components are accordingly heat treated and finished in-house in order to maintain 100% quality control. The finish on the XM110 is the Army's new Flat Dark Earth (FDE).

KAC's Sound Suppressor

A key component of the XM110 package is the quick-attachable Knight Armament suppressor designed for it. Locating on the flash hider, this suppressor extends back to the gas block where its yoke-like locking device is pressed down to secure the suppressor to the gas block. Once mounted, the suppressor is sealed and provides a sound reduction of 30 decibels.

Optics, Bipod and Carrying Case

Virtually the only items in the XM110 package not produced by KAC are the telescopic sight, bipod and carrying case. Stemming from an "if you can't beat'em, buy'em." philosophy, KAC furnishes each XM110 with a Leupold 3.5-10X30mm Sniper Scope, a Harris bipod and a Hardigg Storm Case.

Leupold scopes are pretty much standard throughout the U.S. Military, as are Harris Bipods. The Leupold Sniper Scope is rugged and precise and the Harris Bipod is lightweight yet tough enough for the job, and it performs. I've always maintained that extra weight in a bipod is excess weight, and the Harris proves this.

A relative newcomer to the tactical scene, the Hardigg Storm Case was an easy sell, as Hardigg cases are heads above all others, and are available for a variety of items in addition to the XM110. They also come fitted for a number of firearms and their interiors can also be custom laser cut for anything that will fit in their wide range of sizes. If that's not enough, Hardigg Cases can be had in many colors. As are virtually all aspects of the XM110 package, the Hardigg Storm Case comes in FDE color, and it holds the rifle along with spare magazines, ammunition, KAC Sound Suppressor and an Otis U.S. Military .30 caliber cleaning kit that is also standard XM110 equipment.

Trigger Time

Speaking of triggers, did I forget to mention the KAC Match Trigger? Another standard on the XM110, this two-stage trigger is precisely made and tuned at the factory to break crisply at about 3 pounds. This weight is ideal for both safety and accuracy and is the weight I prefer for all precision rifle shooting.

At the KAC range the XM110 was fired with and without the sound suppressor, and with the suppressor mounted, ear protection was not mandatory. In fact, as far as I was concerned, ear protection wasn't necessary at all. Recoil was mild and the rifle did not malfunction in any way during an afternoon of shooting at various targets.

The XM110 was fired prone from its Harris Bipod as well as a GPS Grip- Pod. Both worked well in supporting the rifle and the GripPod weighs but a fraction of the weight.

While only informal shooting was done by a number of people with the sample rifle, I've been shooting SR-25 rifles for years, and I can attest to their consistent sub-minute of angle (MOA) accuracy.

As this is written, the KAC XM110 has dropped its experimental status and has been type classified as the M110 Sniper Rifle. As such it is slated to replace all 7.62mm NATO caliber sniper rifles in the system, both selfloading and bolt-action. Only time will tell, but KAC was in full production of the rifle when I was there.

Will the M110 be available outside the U.S. Military? Yes, but only once military contracts are filled. You can buy one of the other SASS submission rifles, but not the M110, at least not yet. Also, the commercial variant may not carry the exact M110 designation, as is often common with a commercial version of a current military weapon. Either way, it will be the real McCoy and 100% MilStd.

In the meantime, the SR-25 and commercial versions of the Mk 11 in both rifle and carbine configurations are available.
Glorfindel
Eigentlich nichts neues. Die Entscheidung die M24 durch die XM110 (aka SR-25) zu ersetzten ist schon zwei Jahre alt. Die Marines haben das SR-25 schon eingeführt. Grundsätzlich führen die "Squad Designated Marksmen" standardmässig das M24 wie auch daneben M16 oder M4 (airborne) mit ACOG-Optik. Anscheinend will man jedoch ein (halb-)automatisches Gewehr, weshalb auf Stufe Brigade oder Division zusätzlich noch die M14 eingeführt wurden. Dies ist auch der Grund weshalb diverse unterschiedliche M14-Modifikationen im Umlauf sind. Es ist auch zu bedenken, dass DSM eben keine Sniper sind. Ich denke das M14 ist gerade deshalb so beliebt, weil es eine halbautomatische Waffe ist. Die M24 gehören weiterhin zur Standardausrüstung der SDM. Das M14 wird jedoch im Kurs für angehende Squad Designated Marksmen ausgebildet, v.a. neben M16 und M4.

Daneben führen auch die Sniper Teams immer wieder gerne M14. Für diese ist es aber ohnehin leichter andere Waffen zu erhalten. Auch bei den Sniper wird das XM110 das M24 ablösen. Die National Guard ist z.T. noch mit M21 ausgerüstet, bei der Army wurde das M24 schon längere Zeit ausser Dienst gestellt.
Sergeant
ZITAT(KSK @ 5. Aug 2007, 10:35) [snapback]893003[/snapback]
ZITAT(maschinenmensch @ 5. Aug 2007, 12:25) [snapback]893002[/snapback]
Dann wäre das MAG ja die logische Wahl.



Naja, MAG und MG4 sind ja dann doch zwei untershciedliche Paar Schuhe, ich würde als Äquivalent zum MG4 (und wohl auch Vorbild dessen) eher das M249 SAW/Minimi sehen. Und zumindest in der Para-Version haben die Franzosen das schon länger im Einsatz.

Haben die Franzosen nicht irgendein eigenes MG, ein rein französisches ?
Nite
Eben das AANF1 welches ersetzt werden soll...
s3plan
ZITAT(Holzkopp @ 5. Aug 2007, 17:53) [snapback]893038[/snapback]
was kann ein MAG besser als ein ANF1?



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