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Dave76
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13th Battalion of the Golani Brigade Holds Drill at Golan Heights
August 21, 2012
The 13th Battalion of the Golani Brigade during a drill held in the Golan Heights, northern Israel. The NAMER ("Tiger"), a new vehicle combining the artillery abilities of the Merkava tank and the APC's shielding capacities, was fully integrated in this drill for the first time, improving the battle tactics used by the IDF in the field.
Photo by Staff Sgt. (res.) Abir Sultan
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docholiday
Unglaublich.

CPL Todd Love:









Quelle!
Nachdenker
was sind das für Masken?
Dave76
Gasmasken. Dazu:
http://www.team-x-treme.org/#/home/4553127912
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Sgt. Sanderson
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Nachdenker
Danke!
Dave76

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Free Syrian Army fighters clash with Syrian army soldiers in the El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Zain Karam



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Free Syrian Army fighters take their positions at a check point in the old city of Aleppo in this August 27, 2012 file photo. Ruled successively by Hittites, Greeks, Romans and Ottomans, Aleppo's ancient city has survived violent change over thousands of years. But the modern weaponry of Syria's escalating civil war is proving too much. For a month, rebels armed with assault rifles and grenades have battled President Bashar al-Assad's army along Aleppo's cobbled streets. Troops have used tanks, helicopters and jets to shoot, blast and bomb their positions. Picture taken August 27, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal/Files



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A Free Syrian Army fighter fires an AK-47 rifle at Syrian Army soldiers during clashes in the El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal



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A Free Syrian Army fighter fires an AK-47 rifle at Syrian Army soldiers during clashes in the El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal



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Syrian Army fighters carry their weapons in the El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Zain Karam



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A Free Syrian Army fighter fires an AK-47 rifle at Syrian Army soldiers during clashes in the El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal



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A Free Syrian Army fighter fires an AK-47 rifle at Syrian Army soldiers during clashes in the El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal
Dave76

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A Free Syrian Army fighter fires an AK-47 rifle at Syrian Army soldiers during clashes in the El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal



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A Free Syrian Army fighter fires an AK-47 rifle at Syrian Army soldiers during clashes in the El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal



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A Free Syrian Army fighter fires an AK-47 rifle at Syrian Army soldiers during clashes in the El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal



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A Free Syrian Army fighter takes up position with an AK-47 rifle during clashes in the El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal



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Free Syrian Army fighters prepare for clashes in the El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal



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A Free Syrian Army fighter walks in the streets of the El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal



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A Free Syrian Army fighter runs across a street dodging Syrian army bullets in El Amreeyeh neighbourhood of Syria's northwest city of Aleppo August 28, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal
Nachdenker
Allein schon wenn ich die "Schießkünste" dieser Aufständischen anschaue, frage ich mich, wie die überhaupt Boden gut machen können. Es führt unweigerlich zu der Schlussfolgerung, dass die reguläre syrische Armee noch schlechter sein muss, oder?
Dave76
^ Nein, das kann man aus diesen Bildern nicht ableiten (mal abgesehen davon, was genau 'schlechter' bedeuten soll, schlechtere infanteristische Ausbildung? Schlechtere Taktiken? Schlechtere Strategie? Schlechtere Ausrüstung? Schlechtere Logistik? etc. pp.). Was hier deutlich wird, ist einfach das typische Problem einer konventionellen Streitmacht, einer aufständischen, bewaffneten Bewegung Herr zu werden -> asymmetrische Kriegsführung. Natürlich kommen im Falle der syrischen Streitkräfte eigene Unzulänglichkeiten erschwerend hinzu.
ElDuderino
ZITAT(Dave76 @ 30. Aug 2012, 12:36) *
^ Nein, das kann man aus diesen Bildern nicht ableiten (mal abgesehen davon, was genau 'schlechter' bedeuten soll, schlechtere infanteristische Ausbildung? Schlechtere Taktiken? Schlechtere Strategie? Schlechtere Ausrüstung? Schlechtere Logistik? etc. pp.). Was hier deutlich wird, ist einfach das typische Problem einer konventionellen Streitmacht, einer aufständischen, bewaffneten Bewegung Herr zu werden -> asymmetrische Kriegsführung. Natürlich kommen im Falle der syrischen Streitkräfte eigene Unzulänglichkeiten erschwerend hinzu.



Mit "schlechter" meint er wohl das unsinnige automatische Feuer - um Häuserecken herum - in grobe Feindrichtung, von dem wohl 90% in irgendwelchen feindfernen Häuserwänden und Straßenschildern landen dürfte ^^ Wirkt auf den Fotos eher wie so eine Art Poser-Show vom Schulhof, wo alle im Trupp nach jeder Salve Beifall klatschen und jubeln.

Andererseits hebt sowas offenbar die Moral. Ist ja auch was wert ^^

Man muss allerdings bedenken, dass in Assads Armee nicht gerade viele sonderlich motiviert sind. Ein bischen lautes Geballer mag so manchen Armee-Trupp zum Rückzug verleiten. Ich denke hier ist das massgebliche Manko zu sehen. Moral ist immer noch entscheidend im Krieg.
Cuga
Ich erinnere mich an ein Video der Helmkamera eines US-Soldaten aus dem Videothread dieses Forums, in dem eine Gruppe innerhalb weniger Minuten hunderte Schuss in grobe Feindrichtung abgab.
Blei in die Heide zu pumpen, scheint also nicht nur bei irregulären oder schlecht ausgebildeten Einheiten Anwendung zu finden.
Fennek
Es gibt in der Tat Videos westlicher Soldaten, die eine gewisse "Schießgeilheit" nahelegen. Ob dies tatsächlich eine Munitionsverschwendung ist, muss man dann im Einzelfall prüfen (insofern dass aus dem Videomaterial überhaupt möglich ist).
Man sollte auch nicht dem alten AGA-Mythos zum Opfer fallen, dass der gut ausgebildete Soldat nur und ausschließlich im gezielten Einzelschuss feuert und im Idealfall beim Magazinwechsel 30 tote Feinde vor ihm liegen zu haben. Grob gezieltes Deckungs- und Unterdrückungsfeuer auf die feindliche Stellung ist eine vollkommen legitime Vorgehensweise.
Glorfindel
Es gibt auch Videos und Bilder von westlichen Soldaten, welche das Sturgewehr über den Kopf halten und ungezielt abdrücken, um selber in Deckung zu bleiben. Dies ist imho Munitionsverschwendung. Ich zweifle auch daran, ob nur grob gezieltes Feuer aus Sturmgewehren (ausser bei ganz kurzen Distanzen) sinnvoll ist und vermute, dass rührt eher daher davon, dass die betreffenden Soldaten Stress abbauen, in dem sie schiessen, ohne sich exponieren zu wollen. Müsste man wohl untersuchen. Natürlich gibt es nicht nur Einzelfeuer, sondern auch rasches Einzelfeuer und Schnellfeuer ist eine Option. Zumindest früher wurden deswegen Offiziere in Schiesslehre ausbebildet, damit sie die Feuerart befehlen können. Man kann technisch genau sagen, auf welche Ziele, welche Feuerart die effizienteste ist.
Dave76
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Anchorage Police Department Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) Team officers train on the High-Angle Sniper Range at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Tuesday, Aug. 28, 2012. The specialized training prepares officers for multiple scenarios where marksmanship and reconnaissance may be necessary. (U.S. Air Force photo by Justin Connaher)























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Dave76



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U.S. Marines with the 2nd Platoon, CharlieCompany, 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) engage steel targets with fragmenting ammunition during a live fire exercise at a training compound owned by the Tier 1 Group in Crawfordsville, Ark., Aug. 9, 2012. The training was conducted as a part of the 26th MEU's predeployment training program. (DoD photo by Cpl. Christopher Q. Stone, U.S. Marine Corps/Released)



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Marines and sailors with 2nd Platoon, Company C, 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit engage targets with their M4 Carbines during a live fire exercise aboard Tier 1 Group's (T1G) training compound in Crawfordsville, Ark., August 9, 2012. The training was conducted as a part of the 26th MEU's predeployment training program. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Christopher Q. Stone/Released)



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Marines and sailors with 2nd Platoon, Company C, 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit check their targets for accuracy during a live fire exercise aboard Tier 1 Group's (T1G) training compound in Crawfordsville, Ark., August 9, 2012. The training was conducted as a part of the 26th MEU's predeployment training program. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Christopher Q. Stone/Released)







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Marines and sailors with 2nd Platoon, Company C, 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit engage with their M4 Carbines during a live fire exercise aboard Tier 1 Group's (T1G) training compound in Crawfordsville, Ark., August 9, 2012. The training was conducted as a part of the 26th MEU's predeployment training program. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Christopher Q. Stone/Released).



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Capt. Colgan Norman, 2nd Platoon, Company C, 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit commanding officer, fires his M4 Carbine during a live fire exercise aboard Tier 1 Group's (T1G) training compound in Crawfordsville, Ark., August 9, 2012. The training was conducted as a part of the 26th MEU's predeployment training program. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Christopher Q. Stone/Released)



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Cpl. Benjamin Morrow, a 2nd Platoon, Company C, 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit reconnaissance Marine, looks right as he searches and assesses during a live fire exercise aboard Tier 1 Group's (T1G) training compound in Crawfordsville, Ark., August 9, 2012. The training was conducted as a part of the 26th MEU's predeployment training program. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Christopher Q. Stone/Released)



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Marines and sailors with 2nd Platoon, Company C, 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit engage steel targets with fragmenting ammunition during a live fire exercise aboard Tier 1 Group's (T1G) training compound in Crawfordsville, Ark., August 9, 2012. The training was conducted as a part of the 26th MEU's predeployment training program. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Christopher Q. Stone/Released).



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Marines and sailors with 2nd Platoon, Company C, 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit engage with their M4 carbines during a live fire exercise aboard Tier 1 Group's (T1G) training compound in Crawfordsville, Ark., August 9, 2012. The training was conducted as a part of the 26th MEU's predeployment training program. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Christopher Q. Stone/Released)
Schwabo Elite
ZITAT(Nachdenker @ 30. Aug 2012, 11:58) *
Allein schon wenn ich die "Schießkünste" dieser Aufständischen anschaue, frage ich mich, wie die überhaupt Boden gut machen können. Es führt unweigerlich zu der Schlussfolgerung, dass die reguläre syrische Armee noch schlechter sein muss, oder?

Diese Bilder sind zudem ALLE inszeniert. Wohlgemerkt heißt das nicht, dass sie gestellt sind. Aber Leute verhalten sich bei anwesender Kamera anders als ohne und inszenieren sich selber.
goschi
"Um diese hohle Ecke muss er kommen!"
oder wohl eher nicht mehr, da jeder Anwesende mal ein Magazin um die gleiche Ecke in die gleiche eher schmal wirkende Gasse gerotzt hat, also eine gewisse Effizienz kann man daher nicht absprechen wink.gif
Dave76
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Life With Syria’s Rebels in a Cold and Cunning War

By C. J. CHIVERS
Published: August 20, 2012

TAL RIFAAT, Syria — Abdul Hakim Yasin, the commander of a Syrian antigovernment fighting group, lurched his pickup truck to a stop inside the captured residential compound he uses as his guerrilla base.
His fighters had been waiting for orders for a predawn attack on an army checkpoint at the entrance to Aleppo, Syria’s largest city. The men had been issued ammunition and had said their prayers. Their truck bomb was almost prepared.

Hier weiterlesen:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/world/mi...p;ref=cjchivers

Bilderserie dazu (Bryan Denton for The New York Times):


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Syrian rebels with a group called the Lions of Tawhid stood watch on top of the hill the city of Tal Rifaat is built around.
The group is under the command of Al Tawhid Brigade, a relatively new group in Aleppo Province that has unified several local rebel cells and fights under the banner of the Free Syrian Army, the loose coalition of armed rebels. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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The Lions of Tawhid include a real estate agent, several farmers and construction laborers and a nurse, as well as a cadre of army defectors. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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Abdul Hakim Yasin, right, the commander of the group, examined a mortar round and launching tube bought from an Iraqi arms dealer.
Mr. Yasin was a clean-shaven accountant before the war, living a quiet life with his wife and two young sons. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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From left, Ahmad Aanzi, Jamal Abu Houran and Deeb Maldaoun prepared meals for for their group at their base in a seized residential compound in Tal Rifaat.
Jamal Abu Houran, an army defector, manages the group’s armory, issuing and collecting weapons with a carefully kept ledger and the discipline of the army that trained him. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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Mr. Yasin spoke with a prisoner, Abu Hilal, a member of a government militia known as the shabiha, who had been captured in a neighboring town. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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Abu Hilal showed signs of extensive beatings — his left arm was swollen with bruises.
Mr. Yasin said Abu Hilal was a criminal let out of jail to provide muscle to the shabiha militias and that he had been convicted by a revolutionary court after he admitted to recently killing six people and raping a woman. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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Deeb Meldaoun, a trained nurse who serves as the fighters’ cook and medic, examined Abu Hilal’s injuries.
Mr. Yasin said he had asked for Abu Hilal to be released into his custody so that he might arrange a trade, perhaps a prisoner exchange or a ransom to be paid in weapons. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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Abu Hilal sat blindfolded in Mr. Yasin’s vehicle, waiting to be released in what the rebel fighters had told him would be a prisoner exchange.
He had been told he would be allowed to drive up to a government checkpoint outside Aleppo, and freedom, but the vehicle was rigged with explosives that the fighters intended to set off remotely. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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Rebels waited to launch their attack on the Aleppo checkpoint. But the truck bomb did not go off — the remote detonator did not work. Mr. Yasin suspected that the checkpoint was equipped with a jammer that had blocked the signal. Bryan Denton for The New York Times


Dave76

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After the failed bombing, the rebels drove to Aleppo, where they waited at the abandoned home of police captain.
Mr. Yasin looked through a wedding album the rebels found in the home; he did not approve of some of the dresses the women were wearing. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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One of the rebel fighters dressed in the police captain’s uniform, and his comrades jokingly staged a mock execution. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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A Tawhid fighter prayed before a night operation in Aleppo to destroy an army tank. As the rebels have grown in numbers and strength, they have coalesced into a force that mixes paramilitary discipline, civilian policing, Islamic law and the harsh demands of necessity with battlefield coldness and outright cunning. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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The rebels have informants and spies, and eavesdrop on the government’s military radios while trying to form a nascent government themselves in the territory under their control. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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Abdul Hakim Yasin is jubilant after being reunited with his father, Jamal Yasin, right, who was released from a prison in Aleppo and shuttled to a meeting point. The elder Mr. Yasin had been arrested a month ago. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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A convoy of Lions of Tawhid fighters drove though Aleppo, steering wide of the government checkpoint they had failed to take, and driving with the trucks spread out and at headlong speeds, to limit exposure from attack helicopters and jets. Bryan Denton for The New York Times



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A rebel fighter jumped into the swimming pool at the group’s base in Tal Rifaat. Bryan Denton for The New York Times
Dave76

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Cpl. Nikola K. Kondovski lays in his final firing position during Exercise Forest Light 12-01 at the Hijudai Maneuver Area, Oita prefecture, Japan Aug. 21. Blending in with nature is vital to executing missions in every terrain. Forest Light is a semiannual bilateral training exercise with the Japan Ground Self-Defense Force designed to enhance military partnership, strengthen regional security agreements and improve individual and unit-level skills. Kondovski is a machine gunner with Scout Sniper Platoon, 2nd Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division, III Marine Expeditionary Force. Photo by U.S. Marine Lance Cpl. Jose D. Lujano



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Sgt. Justin D. Head, animal packing course chief instructor, excercises his mustang, Hondo, shortly after grazing. The animal packing course is the only one of its kind in the department of defense and teaches Marines and other military personnel how to effectively and efficiently work with beast of burden to transport munitions, supplies and wounded personnel to and from areas inaccessible to mechanized and air transportation. The course, offered at the Marine Corps Mountain Warfare Training Center, teaches an introduction to animal packing, an anatomy of pack animals, animal packing techniques, casualty evacuation techniques, animal first aid and bivouac considerations.
Photo by Sgt. Aaron Hostutler Date Taken:08.21.2012



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U.S. Marines with Charlie Company, 1st Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment (1/1), Regimental Combat Team 6 patrol during a key leader engagement mission in Reg-E Khan Neshin, Helmand province, Afghanistan Aug. 3, 2012. Capt. Andrew Krebs, executive officer Charlie Company, 1/1 met with local Afghan village leaders to strengthen the relationship between the two parties and increase security presence in the area. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. Travis A. D'Ambrogi)



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Marines assigned to the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit approach the well deck of amphibious dock landing ship USS Tortuga (LSD 46) after conducting open ocean operations using Combat Rubber Raiding Crafts (CRRC)s. Tortuga is part of the only forward-deployed amphibious ready group.(U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Chelsea Mandello)



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U.S. Army Pfc. Michael McKinney, a combat infantryman with the 1st Platoon, Delaware Company, Team Apache, 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, Task Force 4-25, climbs a hill during a patrol to search for weapons caches outside Saparah, Khost province, Afghanistan, Aug. 1, 2012. (U.S. Army photo by Sgt. Kimberly Trumbull/Released)



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U.S. Army Spc. Timothy Rigg and U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Jon Phillips, both assigned to 1st Platoon, Apache Company, Team Apache, 1st Battalion (Airborne), 501st Infantry Regiment, Task Force 4-25, patrols through Black Rock, Khowst province, Afghanistan, July 31, 2012. Team Apache conducted the patrol to investigate a previous attack to Combat Outpost Bak.



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U.S. Army Spc. Jordan Duffy, a forward observer assigned to 1st Platoon, Apache Company, Team Apache, 1st Battalion (Airborne), 501st Infantry Regiment, Task Force 4-25, provides security from the top of a hill in Black Rock, Khowst province, Afghanistan, July 31, 2012. Team Apache conducted the patrol to investigate a previous attack to Combat Outpost Bak.



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U.S. Army Pfc. Sean Serritelli, with Legion Company, 1st Battalion, 503rd Infantry Regiment, provides security during a combat operation outside Combat Outpost Charkh, Logar province, Afghanistan, Aug. 23, 2012. U.S. Army paratroopers provided support while Afghan National Army soldiers searched houses for weapons caches. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Alexandra Campo/Released)
Dave76






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Syrian Rebel Gun Locker, a Preview.
Once we clear the next At War post, we can buckle down and do a fuller look at the weapons in use by the Lions of Al-Tawhid, a 52-man anti-Assad fighting group engaged in the fight for Aleppo province.
There is much to say. One toss-up will be for which weapon was the most unusual we saw while traveling with these fighters. It might have been the rifle at top and bottom right, a Czech vz52 (complete with a small collection of dated cartridges), or the MP-43/44 we found hanging on the corridor wall of another commander’s home, shown bottom left. But there were other candidates, too.
The point here is not arms-spotting for the sake of arms-spotting. The collection of rebel arms says something of the conditions under which the antigovernment fighters have had to fight. It also turns on its head some of what you read, because much of what Western firearm enthusiasts and collectors hold dear meant little out where the war was being fought.
A case in point: the captured MP-43’s and MP-44’s. Those might be collectors’ dreams. The fighters found them all but useless for anything but trophies or for departure points for story-telling. Why? Because they had no ammunition for these WW2-era German arms. And a rifle without ammunition, as another commander near Aleppo said in a previous At War post, is a stick.

http://cjchivers.com/post/30422535019/syri...w-once-we-clear
Dave76





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Sniper de la Katiba de Baba Al-Nasr, Vieille Ville d'Alep, Syrie, 24 Aout 2012. Voisin Olivier











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Baba Al-Nasr, Vieille Ville d'Alep, Syrie, le samedi 25 Aout 2012, Le commandant Abou Mohammed est à la tête d'un groupe de rebelles, et à ses cotés combat aussi son fils de 19 ans Mohammed. Abou Mohammed, 50 ans, est un ancien officier sunnite de l'armée régulière pendant 17 ans. Après sa défection il y a quelques années, il fut un réfugier politique en Belgique, tout en cachant sa famille à Alep. Quand la contestation commence il décide alors de retourner en Syrie afin de combattre aux coté de la rébellion. Voisin Olivier

Dave76

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Commandos from 5th Commando Kandak and coalition Special Operations Forces soldiers watch as a UH-47 helicopter prepares to land following a clearing operation in Balu Chan, Baghlan Jadid district, Baghlan province, April 9. The commandos, partnered with coalition Special Operations Forces, conducted clearing operations in the district to disrupt insurgent safe havens and promote security in the area. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Robin Davis / Released)



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Commandos from 5th Commando Kandak, partnered with coalition Special Operations Forces soldier checks cave for possible unexploded ordnance during a clearing operation in Balu Chan, Baghlan Jadid district, Baghlan province, April 9. The commandos, partnered with coalition Special Operations Forces, conducted clearing operations in the district to disrupt insurgent safe havens and promote security in the area. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Robin Davis / Released)



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A Special Operations Forces soldier checks a cave for possible unexploded ordnance during a clearing operation in Balu Chan, Baghlan Jadid district, Baghlan province, April 9. The commandos, partnered with coalition Special Operations Forces, conducted clearing operations in the district to disrupt insurgent safe havens and promote security in the area. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Robin Davis / Released)



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URUZGAN Afghanistan--A coalition Special Operations Forces (SOF) member looks out over Khas Uruzgan from the open door of a UH-60 "Blackhawk" Helicopter, Khas Urzgan district, August 29. (U.S. Navy photograph by Petty Officer Third Class James Ginther/Not Released)



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URUZGAN Afghanistan--A coalition Special Operations Forces (SOF) member stands over-watch in the village of Dahane Sangu, Khas Uruzgan district, July 15. The SOF were providing security for a reintegration shura where 20 former Taliban fighters registered their weapons with Afghan officials and renounced their affiliation to the insurgency, which are reintegration requirements under Afghanistan's Peace and Reintegration Program. (U.S. Navy Photograph by Chief Mass Communications Specialist Bill Mesta/Not Released)



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ZABUL Afghanistan--An Afghan child interacts with a coalition Special Operations Forces (SOF) member in the village of Bagh, Arghandab district, August 30. (U.S. Navy photo by Petty Officer 3rd Class James Ginther/Not Released)



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ZABUL Afghanistan--An Afghan child interacts with a coalition Special Operations Forces (SOF) member in the village of Bagh, Arghandab district, August 30. (U.S. Navy photo by Petty Officer 3rd Class James Ginther/Not Released)
Dave76

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Operation Helmand Viper
Marines with Scout Sniper Platoon, Alpha Company, 1st Battalion, 1st Marines, Regimental Combat Team 6 exit a compound in Agha Ahmad, Afghanistan, Aug. 27, 2012. The Marines with Scout Sniper Platoon and their attachments stood in an over watch position to provide surveillance and gather intelligence on the enemy as part during Operation Helmand Viper.
(U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Ed Galo)
Dave76

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Free Syrian Army fighters sit in front of a huge Syrian opposition flag as they take a break in the city of Aleppo September 3, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal

Sterling L2A3 SMG rechts, was führt der Herr in der Mitte?
HANS
ZITAT(Dave76 @ 6. Sep 2012, 10:17) *

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Free Syrian Army fighters sit in front of a huge Syrian opposition flag as they take a break in the city of Aleppo September 3, 2012. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal

Sterling L2A3 SMG rechts, was führt der Herr in der Mitte?


Ungeladenes DP mit abgeschraubtem Mündungsfeuerunterdrücker und ohne Zweibein. Ziemlich nutzlose Konfiguration, aber man nimmt was man kriegt . . .

MfG

HANS
Nite
Zumindest das Abschrauben des Mündungsfeuerdämpfers kann im Kampf gegen schlecht ausgebildete Gegner durchaus Sinn machen, siehe dazu diverse Berichte aus Vietnam und den Buschkriegen.
Dave76
ZITAT(HANS @ 6. Sep 2012, 13:03) *
Ungeladenes DP mit abgeschraubtem Mündungsfeuerunterdrücker und ohne Zweibein. Ziemlich nutzlose Konfiguration, aber man nimmt was man kriegt . . .

MfG

HANS

Ahh, klar, danke. Die ungewöhnliche Bauchansicht und der fehlende Mündungsfeuerdämpfer haben mich wohl irritiert...
Markus11
ZITAT(Nite @ 6. Sep 2012, 14:41) *
Zumindest das Abschrauben des Mündungsfeuerdämpfers kann im Kampf gegen schlecht ausgebildete Gegner durchaus Sinn machen, siehe dazu diverse Berichte aus Vietnam und den Buschkriegen.


Verstörung/Verängstigung des Gegners durch mehr Lärm und Mündungsfeuer?
Nite
Korrekt.
Spielt gerade bei überraschend auftretendem Feindkontakt bei Feind mit niedrigem Ausbildungsstand durchaus auch eine Rolle.
Dave76
Dabei fällt mir der 'Trompeten'-MFD des pointman des RT Idaho (MACVSOG) ein:





Ähnliche Grundidee.
Nite
Das ist dann konsequent einen Schritt weiter gedacht.
Dave76





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Afghan National Army special forces members patrol a bazaar in Sar Howza district, Paktika province, Aug. 11. Photo by Sgt. Jenie Fisher



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Afghan Local Police patrol alongside their mentors, Afghan National Army special forces, in Sar Howza district, Paktika province, Aug. 11. Photo by Sgt. Jenie Fisher



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An Afghan National Army special forces member patrols a bazaar in Sar Howza district, Paktika province, Aug. 11. Photo by Sgt. Jenie FisherSmall RSS Icon



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An Afghan National Army special forces member talks to a villager during a foot patrol in Sar Howza district, Paktika province, Aug. 11. Photo by Sgt. Jenie Fisher



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An Afghan National Police (ANP) Special Squad member moves to his vehicle before a patrol in Sar Howza District, Paktika Province, Afghanistan, Aug. 10. The ANP Special Squad is sponsored by the Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (GIRoA) and is used as a training link between new Afghan Local Police (ALP) recruits and the more experienced ANP. (U.S. Army Photo by Sgt. J.R. Fisher/Not Released)





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An Afghan National Police (ANP) Special Squad member pulls security from the back of a tactical vehicle in Sar Howza District, Paktika Province, Afghanistan, Aug. 10. The ANP Special Squad is sponsored by the Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (GIRoA) and is used as a training link between new Afghan Local Police (ALP) recruits and the more experienced ANP. (U.S. Army Photo by Sgt. J.R. Fisher/Not Released)


Die Bildunterschrift bei dem oberen Bilderset ist falsch, es handelt sich ebenso wie bei den unteren Bildern um ANP Special Squad.





Xizor
Auszüge aus "No easy Day", SEAL-Zeug. Der M79 gehört vielleicht eher in den Kuriositätenthread. hmpf.gif




Dave76
ZITAT(Xizor @ 8. Sep 2012, 10:04) *
Auszüge aus "No easy Day", SEAL-Zeug. Der M79 gehört vielleicht eher in den Kuriositätenthread. hmpf.gif

Gekürzte M79 gibt es seit dem Vietnamkrieg. Nix kurioses, die Jungs wissen schon was sie tun.



Ferrus_Manus
Die NVG sehen ja reichlich bizarr aus, muss ich mal so sagen. Aber so lange es funktioniert, ist das ja eher sekundär.

Und mit dem ultrakurzen M79 was anderes als Flares zu verschiessen ist wahrscheinlich
reiner Selbstmord (wobei ich natürlich nicht weiss wie stark der Rückstoß bei den verschiedenen Munitionssorte ist).
goschi
40mm Granatwerfer haben keinen wirklich starken Rückstoss, das wird von den meisten masslos überschätzt (und beim ersten Schiessen ist dasfolgende *plöpp* absolut enttäuschend biggrin.gif )
Ferrus_Manus
ZITAT(goschi @ 8. Sep 2012, 14:27) *
40mm Granatwerfer haben keinen wirklich starken Rückstoss, das wird von den meisten masslos überschätzt (und beim ersten Schiessen ist dasfolgende *plöpp* absolut enttäuschend biggrin.gif )


Dann ist das natürlich was anderes. Das Ding macht sich sicherlich gut im Nahkampf, wenn es mit Buckshot-Munition geladen ist.
goschi
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Ferrus_Manus
ZITAT(goschi @ 8. Sep 2012, 14:40) *
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Schaust du hier: M576 40mm Buckshot
goschi
darum gings nicht, eher um deine Interpretationen, von "reinem Selbstmord" wankst du sofort zu "als Nahkampf-Wegrotzer supidoll", ohne auch nur annähernd zu hinterfragen wieso, wie, wo.... rolleyes.gif
SLAP
ZITAT(Xizor @ 8. Sep 2012, 10:04) *
Auszüge aus "No easy Day", SEAL-Zeug. Der M79 gehört vielleicht eher in den Kuriositätenthread. hmpf.gif
[...]


Wer das Visier auf dem M79 identifizieren kann bekommt einen (virtuellen) Keks.
Markus11
Eine Frage zu der schallgedämpften Mp7, ist die wirklich so leise wie er beschreibt?
("Wenn wir im Nebenraum Leute erschossen haben, sind die die daneben geschlafen haben nicht mal aufgewacht").

Das erscheint mir etwas übertrieben, immerhin kann man den Überschallknall nicht dämpfen und Unterschallmunition für so eine kleine leichte Patrone für die Mp7 stelle ich mir auch wenig zweckdienlich vor, irgendwie muss man ja Energie ins Ziel bringen.

Ich lasse mich jedoch gerne erleuchten smile.gif.
Arado-234
Na ja die MP7 ist schon eine Klasse für sich. Mit dem SD /Art. Nr: 984869 wird das Teil von Werk aus mächtig gedämpft.
Was die Herren aus dem Bericht von oben alles am SD umbauen um diesen noch leiser zu machen ist eine andere Geschichte (Mods fragen...)

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Daher kann die MP7 mit SD selbst in geschlossenen Räumen ohne Gehörschutz abgefeuert werden, ohne dass der Schütze ein Knalltrauma erleidet, er behält seine volle akustische Wahrnehmungsfähigkeit. Die Kommunikation innerhalb der Gruppe/des Trupps wird somit durch das Abfeuern der eigenen Waffen nicht beeinträchtigt.


Quelle: Hier

Aber eine James Bond "Plopp" Lüge lassen wir besser beim Kino.
goschi
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Dave76
ZITAT
Fra en demonstrasjon i forbindelse med 50 års jubileét til Hærens jegerkommando/Forsvarets spesialkommando / From a demonstration in connection with 50-year jubilee of Norwegian Army Special Operation Command (NORASOC)
Dato 2012-09-01 Torbjørn Kjosvold / Forsvarets mediesenter
















ChrisCRTS
Was haben die da an ihre Bein befestigt?

Ah, ok! Danke an Goschi und Dave!
goschi
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