Wenn man sowas braucht um sicheres Schießen auf einer Schießbahn zu gewährleisten, dann braucht man im Ernstfall gar nicht antreten. Und für so unfähig halte ich sie nun nicht.

Die Idee mit dem Feuerüberfall aus der Flanke halte ich auch für komisch. Im Endeffekt muss man den Gegner erstmal zwischen sich und die eigenen Linien lassen. Nichts was man wirklich seelenruhig macht.

Die Idee mit dem Feuerüberfall aus der Flanke halte ich auch für komisch. Im Endeffekt muss man den Gegner erstmal zwischen sich und die eigenen Linien lassen. Nichts was man wirklich seelenruhig macht.

Cavalry Shoot in the Glen of Imaal - Three Scorpion Tanks engage a target at night.
Irish Defence Forces

MOWAG 30mm Cannon night shoot in the Glen of Imaal.
Irish Defence Forces

Cavalry Corps Medium Recce Vehicle engages target at night.
Irish Defence Forces

Lors des combats de la Rivière Noire, un char M24 "Chaffee" du 1er RCC (Régiment de Chasseurs à Cheval). Un membre de l'équipage assure le service de la mitrailleuse lourde Browning de calibre 50 (12,7 mm) tandis que le chef d'engin observe à la paire de jumelles dans l'axe de sa pièce de 75 mm et de sa mitrailleuse co-axiale Browning de calibre 30 (7,62 mm). ECPAD

Char léger M24 Chaffee embusqué derrière un talus, lors des combats de la Rivière Noire. ECPAD

Dans le secteur de Song Moi, près de Hoa Binh, un blindé M24 Chaffee du 1er RCC (Régiment de Chasseurs à Cheval) s'est posté sur un pont pour couvrir la progression d'une patrouille de légionnaires de la 1re compagnie du 1/5 REI (1er Bataillon du 5e Régiment Etranger d'Infanterie) vers la côte 28. ECPAD

Montage des chars M24 Chaffee du 1er RCC par la 2e CREBLE après le parachutage en pièces détachées.

Tanks firing in support of French infantry at Dien Bien Phu.

Le char M24 Chaffee "Conti" de l'escadron de marche du 1er RCC (Régiment de Chasseurs à Cheval) dans le camp retranché de Diên Biên Phu. Au sommet de la tourelle se tient à droite le capitaine Hervouët, commandant l'escadron.

IMO, the large block to the left is also ERA..not a radar etc. Hope the Army orders at least 400 of the MK2 and asks for a MK3 with more iterative improvements than the pie in the sky FMBT.

No radar on the Arjun AFAIK. None was ever mentioned either.

Also re:ERA if the IA had been more supportive of the program, DRDO would not have a "get this out of door asap" mentality as a result to make sure at least some MK2 got ordered as versus more T-90s, and would have had more time. Then they could have redesigned the turret to put the GMS up on top (though it would reduce protection to arty fire) and covered the entire front with ERA.

Right now, ERA arrangement is lopsided, with one side super protected & the other has less coverage. Glacis is well covered in comparison. The turret just shows a "get this done asap without time delay/turret reengineering and requal of FCS" thinking, presumably because they just want Arjun to be produced asap as the line is languishing without orders.

I mean, if you develop an advanced ERA with protection against both KE and tandem warhead HEAT, why not use it to the best extent possible and effectively future proof it for the long term, even if the current composite armor is "adequate" against near term threats.

Also bears asking why they did not go for an APS instead of this passive system which can only jam ATGMs and passively mask the tank. Trophy or Iron Fist with capabilities against even KE rounds would have been better IMO. Those might have even worked against top attack projectiles to some extent.

Luftabwehr in Sotschi.
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Welches Fla System ist das?

Bilder 2 & 3 sieht aus wie ein SA-15 System.

French troops of the "Operation Sangaris" man a position at a checkpoint in Bangui's PK12 area, Central African Republic, on February 18, 2014. Eight people, including six civilians, have been killed in a firefight between African peacekeepers and fighters from the mainly Christian "anti-balaka" militia, a police source said on February 18. AFP PHOTO / FRED DUFOURFRED DUFOUR/AFP/Getty Images

Model: PF3 Leopard Engine Capacity: 4000Cc Petrol, VVT-I Fuel tank Capacity: 90+90 Ltrs Gross vehicle Weight: 5 tonnes Transmission: 5-Speed Manual

ARMOURING SPECIFICATION FOR PROFORCE Pf3 Armoured Personnel Carrier-APC

PROFORCE has specially designed; developed and manufactured this security vehicle with armour systems based on OEM 4x4 platforms. This Armoured Personnel Carrier produced by PROFORCE LIMITED is tailor-made to suit the customer’s requirements. Key options, design changes and extra equipments can also be incorporated to meet the specific needs of the customers.

PROFORCE Pf3 APC has the following key characteristics, among others: - BRV 2009 VR7 (7.62x51 NATO Ball/ CEN Level B6/ NIJ III) armour protection and under-body blast protection. - Standardized equipment specification with a wider range of optional equipment packages to enable the vehicle fulfil many security-operations characteristics.

ARMOUR PROTECTION AND VEHICLE SPECIFICATIONS:

Passenger Compartment: The entire personnel compartment of Pf3 is imbued with ballistic protection to BRV 2009 VR7, 7.62 x 51 NATO Ball and all lesser threats, to include AK47 7.62 x 39 Soft Core to the vertical surfaces and roof at 90° to the material. Protection to AK47 7.62 x 39 API is available as an option. Engine Compartment: The engine compartment is armour protected with ballistic steel to CEN Level B6, 7.62 x 51 NATO Ball and all lesser threats to include AK47 7.62 x 39 Soft Core to the vertical surfaces and hood at 60° to the material Wheels: All four wheels (and the spear) are fitted and empowered with run-flat system. Floor and Fuel Tanks: Armouring of the floor and fuel tanks gives protection in excess of STANAG 4569 Level 1 to withstand L2A2 grenades and for enhanced under-body protection. Body Configuration: The fully armoured body of Proforce Pf3 is fabricated and attached on up-rated body mountings: - 8 personnel configuration: 2 front + 6 rear. - Bend seating in the rear. - 8 firing-ports installed: 3 on both left and right sides of the cabin + 2 to back of the cabin. - An armour protected escape hatch is mounted on the roof of the vehicle, which enables increased awareness of the security situation for the personnel on board. - Heavy duty air-conditioning system installed. Electrical Configuration: There are additional standard features in the PROFORCE Pf3 for optimal performance characteristics, including but not limited to: - IR lighting system and convoy light

A military convoy with Ukrainian soldiers are seen at the way near city of Pervomaysk March 9, 2014. Russian forces tightened their grip on Crimea on Sunday despite a U.S. warning to Moscow that annexing the southern Ukrainian region would close the door to diplomacy in a tense East-West standoff. REUTERS/Viktor Gurniak

A military convoy with Ukrainian soldiers is seen near city of Pervomaysk March 9, 2014. REUTERS/Viktor Gurniak

A military convoy with Ukrainian soldiers is seen near city of Pervomaysk March 9, 2014. REUTERS/Viktor Gurniak

A Ukrainian soldier sits on a military vehicle at a checkpoint at the road near a Crimea region border March 9, 2014. REUTERS/Viktor Gurniak

A Ukrainian soldier stands on a military vehicle at a checkpoint at the road near a Crimea region border March 9, 2014. REUTERS/Viktor Gurniak

A convoy of military vehicles bearing no license plates travels on the road from Sevastopol to Simferopol, Crimea, Ukraine, Monday, March 10, 2014. Ukraine's foreign minister said Monday his country already feels like it's almost in a state of war after Russian forces took effective control of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula. (AP Photo/Darko Vojinovic)

Military armoured personnel carriers, believed to be Russian, drive on a road near the Crimean port city of Sevastopol March 10, 2014. REUTERS/Baz Ratner

A military armoured personnel carrier, believed to be Russian, drives on a road near the Crimean port city of Sevastopol March 10, 2014. The sign reads "there is a choice" (top) and "people's power". REUTERS/Baz Ratner

An man in military fatigues sits atop an armored personnel carrier on the road from Sevastopol to Simferopol, Crimea, Ukraine, Monday, March 10, 2014. Ukraine's foreign minister said Monday his country already feels like it's almost in a state of war after Russian forces took effective control of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula. (AP Photo/Darko Vojinovic)

Soldiers, believed to be Russian, look out from the back of a military truck as they drive near a sign near the Crimean port city of Sevastopol March 10, 2014. The sign reads "there is a choice" (top) and "people's power". REUTERS/Baz Ratner

A military truck, believed to be Russian, tows an artillery unit on a road near the Crimean port city of Sevastopol March 10, 2014. REUTERS/Baz Ratner

A soldier, believed to be Russian, rides on a military armoured personnel carrier on a road near the Crimean port city of Sevastopol March 10, 2014. REUTERS/Baz Ratner

Soldiers, believed to be Russian, ride on military armoured personnel carriers on a road near the Crimean port city of Sevastopol March 10, 2014. REUTERS/Baz Ratner

Polish PL-01 "Direct Support Vehicle" concept

Philippine government troops continue their assault on members of the Muslim rebel Moro National Liberation Front in Zamboanga City in the southern Philippines, on September 12, 2013. Philippine troops battled Muslim rebels on two fronts Thursday, after extremists attacked a second city near the southern port where militants have been holding scores of residents hostage in a four-day standoff with government forces. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez)

Government soldiers take cover during a firefight with Muslim rebels from the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) in Zamboanga City, on September 12, 2013. Fighting between security forces and rogue Muslim rebels seeking to declare an independent state escalated and spread to a second island, officials said. U.S.-trained commandos exchanged gunfire with a breakaway faction of the MNLF holding dozens of hostages in Zamboanga City, on the southernmost island of Mindanao.

Government troopers aboard an Armored Personnel Carrier fire at Moro rebels in an operation to rescue scores of hostages being used as human shields by the rebels on the fourth straight day Thursday, Sept. 12, 2013 at Zamboanga city in southern Philippines. (AP Photo)

A Philippine soldier mans a machine gun inside an armored personnel carrier during a firefight between government forces and Muslim rebels in Zamboanga City, on September 12, 2013.

Government soldiers of Task Force Zamboanga feed pigeons with bread crumbs near a military command post during a lull in fighting with Muslim rebels of Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF), in Zamboanga city in southern Philippines September 16, 2013.

M47M - The product of an improvement program started in the late 1960s, the M47M featured the engine and fire control elements from the M60A1. The assistant driver's position was eliminated in favor of additional 90 mm ammunition. Not used by the US; over 800 vehicles were produced for Iran and Pakistan

Wurden die seit damals von den Iranern kampfwertgesteigert?

Leopard 2 A4NO stridsvogn fra Stridsvogneskadron 2 i Panserbataljonen, skarpskyting med 120 mm granat i Blåtind skytefelt

To leopard stridsvogner på Setermoen skytefelt under Cold Response 2014 / Two leopard tanks at Setermoen firerange during Cold Response 2014
Forsvarets mediesenter

Telemark Bataljon og Panserbataljonen gjennomførte skarpskyting under Cold Response 2014.// Telemark Battalion and Armed Battalion from the Norwegian Armed Forces conducting a live fire excercise during excercise Cold Respons in North Norway, march 2014. Forsvarets mediesenter

Telemark Bataljon og Panserbataljonen gjennomførte skarpskyting under Cold Response 2014.// Telemark Battalion and Armed Battalion from the Norwegian Armed Forces conducting a live fire excercise during excercise Cold Respons in North Norway, march 2014. Forsvarets mediesenter

Panserbataljonenes egne teknikere reparerer beltesystemet på en CV90 Stormpanservogn. Forsvarets mediesenter

Forsvarsminister Ine Eriksen Søreide besøker Cold Response. Hun besøkte blant annet Heimeværnet, Spesialstyrker, 339 i Luftforsvaret, og de fleste av Hærens avdelinger i Brigade Nord. På besøk hos Ingeniørbataljonen fikk ministeren prøvd å kjøre gravemaskin. Forsvarets mediesenter

Pansret kjøretøy under en EOD-øvelse.

Norske mannskaper fra to CV90-stormpanservogner under vinterøvelsen Cold Response 2014. Forsvarets mediesenter

Telemark Bataljons Leopard 2 A4NO stridsvogn, under den multinasjonale vinterøvelsen Cold Response 2014. //Telemark Battalions Leopard 2 A4NO main battle tank, during multinational winter exercise Cold Response 2014 in Norway. Forsvarets mediesenter

Svenske styrker med CV90 i Bardufoss // Swedish Armed Forces with their CV90 armoured vehicles in Bardufoss. Forsvarets mediesenter

Svenske styrker med CV90 i Bardufoss // Swedish Armed Forces with their CV90 armoured vehicles in Bardufoss. Forsvarets mediesenter

Stridsvognen Leopard 2 ruller ut fra et forsyningspunkt under Cold Response 2014. Forsvarets mediesenter

En M113 pansret personell kjøretøy kjører langs E-6 i Troms under vinterøvelse Cold Response 2014 / A M113 armoured vehicle drive along the E-6 in Troms county during winter exercise Cold Response 2014. Forsvarets mediesenter

CR14: Stridsvagn 122, fra svenske Försvarsmakten, er en del av den multinasjonale styrken under øvelsen. Her rykker de fremover langs E6 i Bardu. //Swedish Stridsvagn 122 MBT during Cold Response 2014. Forsvarets mediesenter

CR14: Stridsvagn 122, fra svenske Försvarsmakten, er en del av den multinasjonale styrken under øvelsen. Her rykker de fremover langs E6 i Bardu. //Swedish Stridsvagn 122 MBT during Cold Response 2014. Forsvarets mediesenter

M109 artillerivogn ved Setermoen under Cold Response 2014. Forsvarets mediesenter

En Leopard 2 a4no stridsvogn fra Brig N i skytefeltet på Setermoen under en demo for innviterte gjester under vinterøvelsen Cold Response 2014. Forsvarets mediesenter

Was trägt der M113 für ein optronisches System auf dem Dach, bzw. welche Funktion hat das Fahrzeug?

A Russian soldier (L) guides a Ukrainian tank, which is to be loaded onto a train, in northern Crimea March 27, 2014. REUTERS/Yannis Behrakis

Local civilians walk at a train station where Ukrainian tanks are being loaded onto a train in northern Crimea March 27, 2014. REUTERS/Yannis Behrakis

Ukrainian tanks are transported from their base in Perevalnoe, outside Simferopol, Crimea, Wednesday, March 26, 2014. Ukraine has started withdrawing its troops and weapons from Crimea, now controlled by Russia. (AP Photo/Pavel Golovkin)

A tank, believed to be Russian, drives outside a military base in Perevalnoye, near the Crimean city of Simferopol, March 27, 2014. REUTERS/Shamil Zhumatov

Russian soldiers stand near a tank at a former Ukrainian military base in Perevalne, outside Simferopol, Crimea, March 27, 2014. Russia last week completed the annexation of Crimea following a referendum in which an overwhelming number of residents voted to break off from Ukraine and join Russia. The vote, rejected by Ukraine and the West, was hastily called after Russian forces had overtaken the peninsula. (AP Photo/Pavel Golovkin)

Russian military vehicles are parked at a former Ukrainian military base in Perevalne, outside Simferopol, Crimea, March 27, 2014. Russia last week completed the annexation of Crimea following a referendum in which an overwhelming number of residents voted to break off from Ukraine and join Russia. The vote, rejected by Ukraine and the West, was hastily called after Russian forces had overtaken the peninsula. (AP Photo/Pavel Golovkin)

A Russian national flag (L) and partly seen flag of Russian airborne forces (R) fly above a former Ukrainian military base in Perevalnoye, near the Crimean capital Simferopol, on March 27, 2014. Ukraine asked today the UN General Assembly to deter the risk of any future Russian aggression by adopting a resolution denouncing its annexation of Crimea. AFP PHOTO/ DMITRY SEREBRYAKOV