US Tarnmuster-Debatte, UCP in A-Stan Einstellungen

[SLAP]

MARSOC purchases retro woodland camouflage

Marine special operators are going old-school. Some have ditched their MARPAT for “NATO woodland print” which is similar to what all Marines wore more than a decade ago. Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command purchased 300 sets of the uniforms for use on unspecified missions. [...]

[Herki]

Für die Zusammenarbeit mit ANA etc ? Sah man ja schon öfters auf Bildern.

[Dave76]

Für die Zusammenarbeit mit ANA etc ? Sah man ja schon öfters auf Bildern.

Jupp, steht auch so im verlinkten Artikel.

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Army seeks 3 variants of camo to replace UCP

The new camo patterns would cover global climates and environments

By Lance M. Bacon - Staff writer
Posted : Sunday Dec 19, 2010 17:57:22 EST

The Army is shopping for three new combat uniforms — a woodland variant, a desert variant and a “transitional” variant that covers everything in between.

As the search begins, it is evident the current Universal Camouflage Pattern is not even an option.

Officials are adamant that the selection will not be a “fashion contest” in which Pentagon generals pick the one they like best. Instead, hundreds of test hours and mountains of data will be compiled to determine the right mix of colors and patterns.

In the words of Col. William Cole, project manager of Soldier Protection and Individual Equipment, the intent is to provide an “operationally and scientifically validated” camouflage pattern that will provide global coverage for an expeditionary Army.

For now, the design and colors of your next uniform are anyone’s guess. For example, digital patterns work well in some environments, but not as well in others. Sometimes a vertical orientation is best, while other times a horizontal would be optimal. And when it comes to colors, there are 15 different military operating environments with unique colors that change with elevation and seasons.

UCP is dead
In providing details to industry, the Army appears not to be keen on keeping UCP, the three-color pattern fielded in 2004.

“The uniform I am wearing doesn’t do the best job of concealing our soldiers,” said Maj. Brett Lord, who came from the Maneuver Center of Excellence at Fort Benning, Ga., to outline operational capabilities.

Timothy O’Neill, who has taught the principles of camouflage at West Point for decades, said UCP has problems with isoluminance. Specifically, the fine texture and lack of contrast fades to gray at a short distance. Instead of the pattern blending in with the background, the soldier looks like “a gray blotch.”

“While it may sound counterintuitive, for a camouflage pattern to work, you have to see it,” O’Neill said.

In fact, UCP will not be among the baseline patterns used in the forthcoming tests. Instead, the Army will use the Operation Enduring Freedom Camouflage Pattern, or OCP, Woodland and Desert MARPAT (Marine Pattern), and AOR 1 and 2, which resemble the Marine desert and woodland digital patterns but are specially treated to reduce the wearer’s infrared signature.

The final nail in UCP’s coffin likely came by way of a Sept. 21 report that details how and why the Army selected the OEF Camouflage Pattern, commonly called MultiCam. That process started when senior enlisted personnel deployed to Afghanistan expressed “serious concerns … regarding UCP’s camouflage effectiveness during combat operations,” according to the eight-page report, which was compiled by the Natick Soldier Research, Development and Engineering Center in Massachusetts.

In Afghanistan, it is not uncommon for a soldier to encounter a number of environments on a given day. And many said UCP failed to provide optimal camouflage in any of them. A subsequent survey was developed for OEF veterans. The Army received 2,043 qualified responses from five posts, and it was soon clear that the UCP was “perceived to be not as effective as desired,” according to the report.

In fact, 43 percent of soldiers in southern Afghanistan preferred MultiCam, while 39 percent preferred the Desert MARPAT, worn by the Marines. In the east, 47 percent of soldiers preferred MultiCam, while 26 percent preferred Desert MARPAT.

The Army followed by testing dozens of camouflage patterns in four backgrounds common to Afghanistan: The rocky desert terrain, mountainous terrain, cropland/woodland terrain and sandy desert terrain. The top performers were MultiCam, Woodland and Desert MARPAT and AOR 1 and 2 uniforms. UCP, on the other hand, was in the bottom 10 for all four backgrounds “and did not perform well in any of them,” according to the report.

The way forward
The Army’s plans were provided to industry leaders Dec. 9 at the Army Camouflage Improvement Industry Day, held at the Army Research Laboratory/Adelphi Laboratory Center outside Washington, D.C.

Developers now have until March 1 to come up with their solutions. The Army in July will select five contenders: three from industry and two from the government. Wear and field tests will follow. If all goes as planned, production will begin in October 2012.

The Army is now taking this approach to the global scale to ensure soldiers have the best possible camouflage no matter where they go. As such, it is seeking “three patterns with common geometry [shapes] and different color palettes for different terrain [that] will be inexpensive to develop and effective across the globe.”

The primary patterns will be woodland, desert and a transitional pattern. But creating this worldwide camouflage won’t be as easy as it may seem.

For example, in the Afghanistan test against four backgrounds, none of the top 10 performers in the sandy desert terrain was in the top 10 for the other three backgrounds. In fact, many were in the bottom 10 in those tests. And those terrain tests were conducted in one operational area.

Charles Ryerson, of the Army’s Cold Regions Research and Engineering Lab, was on hand to unravel the spaghetti mess called terrain analysis, and how it affects camouflage.

“It is a complex problem, to define what the world looks like,” he said.

There are three key factors, he said, but each is a moving target. The first is land cover. That may sound easy enough, but consider how the greens and browns of a European forest are far different than those found in a South American rain forest. And not only are the colors different, but the textures and patterns are far different. Next come seasonal concerns, known as phenology, and finally terrain/soil types, known as physiography.

For the woodland pattern, defined by 40 percent or more tree coverage, the seasonal changes are most important when seeking good camouflage, Ryerson said. In the desert pattern, defined as 15 percent or less plant coverage, the terrain and soil type will be the most important factors. And in the transitional pattern, the terrain and seasonal effects will be the most important factors.

Adding to the transitional pattern discussion, O’Neill reminded industry that “no camouflage can hide every soldier everywhere.” With that understanding, he urged developers to focus on the “principle of invariance” — to match attributes that remain constant and not focus as much on the differences.

To test how well this is achieved, the Army will first use high-resolution pictures to determine how well the patterns blend with specific backgrounds. Field tests will also determine the average distance and time required to detect the camouflage.

While the Army is willing to consider any product, there are operational and financial matters that are a no-go from the start, Cole said.

No 3-D camouflage is allowed. This means there can be no layers or “ghillie-type” items. The uniform must meet the Army’s 120-day operational durability requirements. In addition, the pattern cannot be altered or degraded when flame-resistance measures and permethrin treatments are applied.

What’s in it for you
The Army will spend as much as $10 million in the effort, and expects industry to meet three key goals. First is the obvious: The best possible concealment for soldiers deploying worldwide. This is defined as an optimized performance range of 35 to 400 meters in a woodland environment and 35 to 500 meters in the transitional and desert environments.

Next, there must be compatibility with Personal Protective Equipment and Organizational Clothing and Individual Equipment. This was a key complaint for four out of five soldiers who participated in the OCP report. But because it is more costly to produce and has a far longer life span, this gear cannot be produced in all three variations. Instead, it will come in either the transitional pattern, or a fourth pattern that blends elements of the woodland, desert and transitional, officials said. Either way, it must blend well with all three to allow soldiers to use the same gear with all camouflage patterns.

Lastly, the Army insists that the new uniforms provide optimal sensor mitigation. Due to “the current proliferation of sensors on the battlefield,” the Army Uniform Pattern must mitigate near infrared and shortwave infrared at a distance of 35 to 250 meters, officials said.

It is unlikely that the individual soldier will be issued all three uniforms, Cole said. Instead, it is more likely that they will receive one, and stockpiles of the others will be kept in reserve.

In addition, the tests have caught the attention of the sister services. Representatives from the Air Force and Navy were in attendance, as were members of the British and Canadian forces. Lt. Col. Michael Sloane, product manager for Soldier Clothing and Individual Equipment, said the Army is willing to let the Marines’ MARPAT compete.

“If that is the best one out there, then we owe it to our soldiers to recognize that,” he said.

armytimes.com

[stillermitleser]

Mal abgesehen von der Vorführung, haben die libanesischen Streitkräfte wohl zumindest in Teilen ein digitales Tarnmuster eingeführt:



Das ganze sieht mir nach UCP-D aus. Kann mich aber auch täuschen. Für die Berge und die Städte im Libanon dürfte dieses Muster recht nützlich sein.

[Dave76]

^ Das Marine-Kommandoregiment des libanesischen Spezialkräftekommandos nutzt u.a. eine Kopie des amerikanischen UCP.

[Nite]

Ich tippe trotzdem auf Eigenprodukt. Templates für Pixelmuster gibt es inzwischen ja genug.

[Kreuz As]

Kann man in Asien Containerweise bestellen.

Schnitt und Muster nach Wahl.

[Nite]

Tactical Tailor Fight Light Preview
[...]
Fight Light products should start to appear with a hard launch next month in MultiCam and A-TACS.

Quelle: Soldiersystems

So langsam scheint sich A-TACS also zumindest in der Gear-Branche zu etablieren.

[schleicher]

ist im einkauf auch im Vergleich zu MC deutlich billiger. Und man hat bei MC gesehen welches Potenzial dahinter steckt. Sollte es irgend jemand mal anschaffen, kann man direkt gear dafür anbieten!

[Nite]

TT-Sachen in A-TACS

[Kreuz As]

Mit dem richtigen Hintergrund siehts doch gut aus.

[muckensen]

Link

Wählt die Army nun doch das USMC-Muster "MARPAT"?

[Racer]

“The MARPAT design is proprietary, and it’s important those designs are reserved for Marines. We just need to make sure each of our designs is unique to each service.”

...mit solchen Holzköpfen kann man dann richtig gut "joint" machen und Geld sparen

Gleiches Land, gleicher Einsatzort, aber unbedingt andere Uniformen

[Dave76]

^ Allerdings, vor allem da ja jahrelang mit dem Woodland-Muster alle Teilstreitkräfte über die gleiche BDU verfügten. Schauen wir mal was dabei rauskommt...

[SLAP]

McNamara mag vielleicht nicht immer die richtigen Antworten gefunden haben. Die richtigen Fragen hat er jedenfalls gestellt: "Warum braucht ihr alle unterschiedliche Schuhe, Gewehre, Uniformen, etc. ?"

[Slavomir]

"Warum braucht ihr alle unterschiedliche Schuhe, Gewehre, Uniformen, etc. ?"

Weil man gerne was besonderes ist.

[Nite]

The Saga continious:

Army Announces Camouflage Improvement Effort Finalists

After several delays, the Army has chosen four finalists in their Army Camouflage Improvement Effort. The Army conducted an exhaustive down select using a picture-in-picture technique with 900 Soldiers viewing the patterns in 45 environments. There was a candidate pool of around 20 families of patterns each sharing common pattern geometries but with individual colorways for Woodland, Desert, and Transitional environments with a possible fourth pattern for Organizational Clothing and Individual Equipment. This optional OCIE pattern would blend in with the other patterns so that separate sets of PPE would not have to be purchased to match each pattern. Some developers satisfied this requirement with their Transitional pattern.

The finalists are:
ADS Inc as Prime, partnered with Guy Cramer
Brookwood Companies
Crye Precision
Kryptek

(Please note that the contract award figures are ceiling amounts. Total funds will not be awarded unless all contract options are enacted. The disparity in award amounts is driven by offeror bids and is for the total non-exclusive Government license if the vendor is selected and optioned as the new Army camouflage provider.)

Additionally, there will be an Army developed family of patterns entering the field trials which should commence in about 6 months according to the plans overall timeline which has already slipped several times.

This next set of testing will include blending tests, probability of detection, and a live Developmental Test with an Operational Test flair. This latter event will put the patterns through their paces with squad size elements pitted against multiple observers from numerous points of view. Another interesting aspect of this testing is that the Army will also assess how long it takes for an observer to reacquire a test subject after he takes cover and comes back into view. During the industry day, there was an indication that they may also assess the pattern’s performance in both dry and wet conditions. This was a major issue during the development of the AOR patterns so we hope they integrate it into the test plan.

We’ve also heard that the candidate patterns may also be evaluated using OCP (MultiCam) PPE since the Army has made such a large investment in this equipment and it may well have to continue to serve, at least with some units as long it remains serviceable. The interest is to see if OCP equipment can be effectively used in conjunction with the new patterns. Testing of varied PPE against unmatched uniforms in Afghanistan indicated that the contrast can be so great as to work against the camouflage effect.

After the testing ends, a finalized report will be presented to the Army leadership for action. Based on a variety of factors, they will decide how the Army will be camouflaged in the foreseeable future. We also hope that the other services consider the investment the Army has made in this process and make this a joint effort.

SSD applauds the selectees and the Army’s PEO Soldier and RDT&E community for taking on this herculean effort.

Quelle: SoldierSystems

Bilder des Kryptek-Musters finden sich hier.
Bei Crye gehe Ich stark von Multicam aus, während das ADS Muster eine der üblichen Pixeltarnmuster-Familien sein dürfte wie wir es von Guy Cramer/Hyperstealth ja gewohnt sind.
Insbesondere interessant wären daher Bilder zu dem Vorschlag von Brookwood Companies.

//Edit:
Auch Infos zu den Crye-Mustern wären interessant. Anscheinend ist explizit eine Tarnmuster-Familie gefordert, was Multicam eigentlich ausschließt, bzw. zumindest weitere Varianten erfordert.

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[Kreuz As]

Wieder alles umstellen.

[Nite]

Damit sind jetzt 2 von 4 Finalisten bekannt:

ADS Unveils Army Camouflage Finalist Patterns
ADS Tactical

We just received the following information from ADS regarding their US Army Camouflage Improvement Effort finalist patterns developed in conjunction with Guy Cramer. As you know from reading SSD, they submitted two pattern families named Alpha and Delta. We previously broke the story on the Delta patterns during SHOT Show. Interestingly, the cleaner Alpha pattern (seen here) outperformed the Delta variants during the Army’s Picture-in-Picture down-select process. Here are the first images and descriptions of the patterns released to the public. While these images are simulated, meaning the pattern has been superimposed on an ACU coat and an armor vest, they do give you a great idea of how the environmental-specific patterns will work with their OCIE pattern.


About the Army Family of Camouflage Program and US4CES™ Version-A
ADS, and partner Guy Cramer, is part of the down-select to participate in the development of a new family of camouflage patterns for the U.S. Army that are effective across myriad environments. ADS and Cramer submitted two families of patterns, US4CES™ Version-A and Version-D, with US4CES™ Version-A being selected.

The current effort, now in Phase IV and managed by PEO Soldier, is a rigorous technical evaluation backed by solid scientific analysis and critical Soldier input from the field. With the U.S. Government concluding that one color scheme for all environments with the Army Combat Uniform was too much of a compromise; they recognized the need for specific color schemes for each key environment to provide a more effective camouflage. The Army requirement is to find one pattern configuration with separate colors for Woodland, Arid (Desert) and Transitional environments. In addition, the Army is also interested in a potential fourth pattern for Organizational Clothing and Individual Equipment (OCIE) and Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) which is meant to work with the three other patterns.

US4CES™Version-A (Alpha) and Version-D (Delta) were designed specifically for the U.S. Army “Family of Camouflage Program”. These Digital Textured Patterns feature the latest advances in camouflage research for reduced signature and enhanced survivability.

While US4CES™ Version-D did not make the U.S. Army’s final Phase IV testing, the only difference between the Version-A and Version-D is the feathering of the four colors within Version-D, otherwise the two families are identical – including the colors used.

Why Digital?
Advanced Camouflage research first lead to the square pixel pattern “CADPAT” being issued by Canadian Forces in the late 1990’s. Later, objective studies conducted by the U.S. Military concluded that a digital pattern, when applied correctly, reduces detectability by nearly 50% when compared to more traditional “Analog Shaped” 3-color NATO patterns and un-patterned targets. MARPAT (the U.S. Marine Corps Pattern) is a direct copy of CADPAT, recolored with permission from the Canadian Government. Current Digital Patterns such as MARPAT and CADPAT use square and rectangular pixels but the small size of both the larger Macropattern (Spatial Frequency – blotches) and Micropattern (pixels) in these two patterns tend to blend into one color at tactical combat distances.

Digital patterns outperform analog (non-pixelated) shapes because they are superior at re-creating natural fractals (geometric shapes found in nature) which the brain interprets as background noise. Digital patterns also generate advanced Micro- and Macropatterns, providing the optimum breakup of the human form at multiple distances, in multiple environments.

Fractals could be represented by analog shapes, but this crosses boundaries that approach complete mimicry. Complete mimicry works in very specific environments that are identical to what is being mimicked but provides an extremely limiting range of functionality. Mimicry patterns look out of place in anything but the environment it was designed to operate in whereas a fractal digital pixel pattern has been refined to not only work across multiple backgrounds but also disrupt the human shape and human movement even when the pattern may not blend in completely across a particular environment by preventing the brain from detecting and recognizing a shape.

How US4CES™ Works
Colorations: Predominant colors make up the majority of the pattern – Woodland features a high percentage of Olive Drab and Light Brown. Arid uses Khaki and Coyote as the main colors while Transitional features Olive and Golden Tan. The predominant colors are then contrasted with a darker color of the region to allow the pattern to break up. A smaller percentage of the color spectrum is used for a lighter shade which is perceived as natural reflections or gaps in the pattern and the darkest shade which is perceived as shadows or holes in the pattern.

Both the lightest areas and darkest areas use a large pixel (square) Macropattern format that has proven to be quite effective. This Macropattern also has a smaller fractal Micropattern of its own with smaller square pixels which are present around the borders of the large squares.

3-Dimensional Layering: Proprietary algorithms were used to create a boundary luminance gradient between colors, creating an illusion of 3-dimensional layering, while limiting the design to four colors. This added feature creates the illusion of depth, which the brain interprets not as a solid flat surface but rather as a textured surface with depth, tricking the brain into regarding the material as part of the natural environment.

Disrupting Shape and Masking Movement: The Macropattern is designed to disrupt the human shape as well as to mask movement. Key points within the pattern disrupt the pivot points of the limbs and torso making detection and identification very difficult.

Fractal Algorithms: Intrinsic to the technology behind US4CES™ is our proprietary fractal algorithm. Fractal algorithms duplicate natural fractals (geometric shapes found in nature). Developing camouflage without fractals leaves a critical component out of the design process. The brain interprets fractals as background noise and typically ignores the pattern as common to the environment (not worth further scrutiny), allowing a soldier wearing the camouflage a few extra precious seconds of time in concealment or to react to an adversary.

How US4CES™ Performs
ADS conducted internal objective testing before submitting US4CES™ to the Army and concluded the Transitional-A pattern exceeds the U.S. Navy’s AOR-2 pattern by 19.86% and OEF/OCP (MultiCam®) by 26.71% within transitional environments.

In addition, the Army concluded that US4CES™ Arid Version-D met and/or exceeded the baseline patterns within that environment but the feathering technique has been shown in this recent Army testing to degrade the overall performance in transitional and woodland environments.

Early response has shown US4CES Version-A to be highly effective in Objective and Subjective testing. And, while the point of camouflage is tactical effectiveness – not aesthetic appearance, US4CES Version-A presents a professional and progressive look for a modern Army. The pattern is crisp and clean, without the cluttered or overly stimulating feel of previous digital patterns.

Where to find US4CES™ Family of Camouflage
Not yet for sale, but part of formal Army testing, it might be difficult to get your hands on clothing and gear made from US4CES Family of Camouflage for a while. Soon, however, ADS reps will have complete sets of Army Combat Uniforms in US4CES Arid, Transitional, and Woodland, as well as gear in OCIE/PPE patterns. To see these patterns, reach out to your ADS representative today.

For more information visit www.adsinc.com/us4ces-a.

Quelle: SoldierSystems

Eine Meinung kann sich jeder selber bilden, ich vermute einmal mehr dass die Marines sich gerade entweder ins Fäustchen lachen oder ungläubig mit dem Kopf schütteln.

[Herki]

Endweder haben die zuviel Zeit oder zuviel Geld ....

Wieviele Uniformen wurden bei den US Streitkräften eigentlich die letzten 10 Jahre neu eingeführt ?
Eine pro Jahr ?

- MARPAT wdl
- MARPAT des.
- UCP
- UCP D
- Multicam
- NWU 1,2 und 3...

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[Nite]

Endweder haben die zuviel Zeit oder zuviel Geld ....

Wieviele Uniformen wurden bei den US Streitkräften eigentlich die letzten 10 Jahre neu eingeführt ?
Eine pro Jahr ?

- MARPAT wdl
- MARPAT des.
- UCP
- UCP D
- Multicam
- NWU 1,2 und 3...

UCP-D war lediglich ein Truppenversuch, insofern kann man hier nicht von eingeführt sprechen.
Dafür hast du ABU der Air Force vergessen.

[Nite]

Army Preparing to Produce Baseline Camo Gear for Testing

Natick has released a Special Notice making known their intent to “negotiate on a sole source basis with Beyond Clothing, LLC” to produce 310 sets of “AOR 1/2 Fabric (50/50 Nyco), Helmet Covers, Pants and Blouses. These uniforms are among the baseline uniforms required for camouflage testing and evaluation.”

Army-style uniforms and OCIE do not exist in the AOR 1 & 2 patterns. What’s more, the patterns are restricted, so any gear must be manufactured by a company already certified to handle the fabric. OCP, or as it is commercially known, MultiCam is the other baseline pattern for the upcoming field trial phase of the US Army Camouflage Improvement Effort. Due to its use in Afghanistan, there is already an ample supply of the equipment available.

One interesting note. Currently, OCP is only issued as the FR ACU and not the standard FR ACU. While much work has been done to color match dyed TenCate’s Defender-M fabric used to manufacture the FR ACU, the pattern may look differently than it would when printed on 50/50 NYCO. This is a variance that will have to be considered in performance unless the Army also pursues the acquisition of an adequate number of OCP NYCO test uniforms. If they are commercially sourced, further care will need to be taken that such uniforms are not in the so-called MultiCam VS print which does not provide NIR protection.

These ‘baseline’ Government issue patterns will be pitted against four commercial families of patterns to determine the best performer and possible new Army issue camouflage.

The commercial finalists are:
ADS Inc as Prime, partnered with Guy Cramer
Brookwood Companies
Crye Precision
Kryptek

Source: SoldierSystems

Der Beitrag wurde von Nite bearbeitet: 8. Mar 2012, 11:42

[Nite]

Und #3, Flicken von den von Brookwood eingereichten Mustern:

Arid


Transitional


Woodland

Quelle: SoldierSystems

[muckensen]

Wir können bloß froh sein, dass unsere TSKs seinerzeit nicht auf die Idee gekommen sind, von Oliv auf jeweils ein eigenes Muster umzustellen.

[muckensen]

Jetzt ist es offiziel - UCP, manchmal fälschlicherweise auch als ACU bezeichnet, hat ausgedientl: Army scraps eye-catching pixel camo uniforms
5 Milliarden hat der Spaß gekostet...

[Durchstarter]

Wir können bloß froh sein, dass unsere TSKs seinerzeit nicht auf die Idee gekommen sind, von Oliv auf jeweils ein eigenes Muster umzustellen.

Sind die USA ja auch nicht.
Gab ja Woodland und auch entsprechende Wüstenuniformen seit Anfang der 80er.

[muckensen]

Sind sie nicht, aber ich sprach vom Status Quo.
Seit dem Ende der BDU ("Woodland") bzw. DCU ("Desert") -Ära in den US-Streitkräften hat die Army 5 verschiedene Muster ausgegeben (UCP, UCP-A, Multicam und vereinzelt weiter BDU und DCU), die Marines 5 Muster (MCCUU-W, MCCUU-D, Multicam, teils weiter BDU und DCU), die Navy 5 Muster (NWU AORI, NWU AORII, Multicam, teils weiter BDU und DCU) und die Air Force hat immerhin noch 4 Muster eingesetzt (ABU, Multicam, teils weiter BDU und DCU).
Darauf wollte ich hinaus, und es ist wohl unbestritten, dass in diesem Zusammenhang unglaublich viel Geld für nichts und wieder nichts verpulvert wurde... insbesondere wenn man bedenkt, dass die Teilstreitkräfte in den vergangenen Konflikten (und wohl auch den kommenden) immer zusammen auf demselben Kriegsschauplatz eingesetzt wurden. Ist ja nicht so als ob der Panzergrenadier, der im Busch neben dem Marineinfanteristen liegt, ein anderes Tarnmuster bräuchte.

[goschi]

abgesehen davon, dass man das nutzen von alten Restbeständen an Woodland und DCU (vor allem in der Ausbildung) kaum speziell nennen muss (wie lange habt ihr noch Teile von steingrau-oliv genutzt?)
und inwiefern nutzen die Marines Multicam? wäre mir jetzt nie speziell aufgefallen
(oder meinst du MARSOC? die unterstehen eh dem SOCOM und dises nutze als erstes offiziell Multicam, quasi als fünfte Teilstreitkraft )

[Dirk]

Interessant, dass die Muster als eher "eye-catching" denn als tarnend von den Soldaten betrachtet werden...
Haben die keine Tests durchgeführt?
Simpler gehts ja kaum, Muster anziehen raus in die Umgebung und gucken...

Am Computer waren die bestimmt schön getarnt von wegen Pixel ... aber draußen...

Naja, eigentlich sollte auch das Gepixel auf Entfernung verschwimmen, von daher kann ich nicht so recht nachvollziehen warum die Teile "eye-catching" sein sollen.

[Almeran]

Interessant, dass die Muster als eher "eye-catching" denn als tarnend von den Soldaten betrachtet werden...
Haben die keine Tests durchgeführt?
Simpler gehts ja kaum, Muster anziehen raus in die Umgebung und gucken...

Am Computer waren die bestimmt schön getarnt von wegen Pixel ... aber draußen...

Naja, eigentlich sollte auch das Gepixel auf Entfernung verschwimmen, von daher kann ich nicht so recht nachvollziehen warum die Teile "eye-catching" sein sollen.

UCP ist eher 'eye-catching' weil es hellgrau ist.