Wie haben die das nachts gesehen? Können syrische Hubis überhaupt nachts unfallfrei fliegen? Seit wann werden Fassbomben gegen fahrende Ziele eingesetzt und das auch noch nachts gegen bewegende Ziele?

Fragen über Fragen...

Damaged Red Cross and Arab Red Crescent medical supplies are seen in a warehouse in the town of Orum al-Kubra in the Syrian province of Aleppo on Tuesday. OMAR HAJ KADOUR/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES

"The air forces of Russia and Syria did not conduct any strikes against the UN aid convoy in the southwestern outskirts of Aleppo," defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said in a statement carried by Russian news agencies.

Konashenkov said the attack the previous night doesn't appear to have been from an air strike.

The Syrian Civil Defence, a volunteer rescue group known as the White Helmets that operates in rebel-held areas, posted images of several vehicles on fire. A video of the attack showed huge balls of fire against the night sky as ambulances arrived on the scene.

The Russian military "carefully studied the video recordings of the so-called activists from the scene and found no signs that any munitions hit the convoy", Konashenkov said.

"Everything shown on the video is the direct consequence of the cargo catching fire, and this began in a strange way simultaneously with militants carrying out a massive offensive in Aleppo."

Russia's defence ministry released drone footage late on Tuesday that it says showed a pickup truck carrying militants and hauling a heavy mortar driving alongside the convoy before it was bombed.

In a statement posted on its Facebook page last night, the Russian defence ministry said the drone footage cast "new details on the incident."

"It is clearly visible how terrorists deploy a pickup with a large calibre mortar alongside the convoy," the ministry said.

Russian jets carried out strike on Syria aid convoy: U.S. officials

Two Russian Sukhoi SU-24 warplanes were in the skies above an aid convoy in Syria at the precise time it was struck on Monday, two U.S. officials told Reuters on Tuesday, citing U.S. intelligence that has led them to conclude Russia was to blame.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-...e-idUSKCN11Q2PR

Damaged Red Cross and Arab Red Crescent medical supplies are seen in a warehouse in the town of Orum al-Kubra in the Syrian province of Aleppo on Tuesday. OMAR HAJ KADOUR/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES

Jetzt scheint man in Russland das Narrativ ein wenig zu ändern, denn das russische Verteidigungministerium hat nun Drohnenaufnahmen veröffentlicht, welche einen Rebellen-Pickup mit Mörser zeigt, welcher am Hilfskonvoi vorbeifährt. Was genau dies nun zu bedeuten hat, bleibt unklar

Russian jets carried out strike on Syria aid convoy: U.S. officials

Two Russian Sukhoi SU-24 warplanes were in the skies above an aid convoy in Syria at the precise time it was struck on Monday, two U.S. officials told Reuters on Tuesday, citing U.S. intelligence that has led them to conclude Russia was to blame.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-...e-idUSKCN11Q2PR

Wimmel Suchbild.
WO IST DIE OFAB 250-270?????

(OK, könnte auch eine OFAB 100-120 sein, so gut kenne ich mich nun wieder auch nicht aus. Ist aber eine der OFAB Familie).

Selbst 50 kg Sprengstoff würden dort alles innerhalb von 5-10 m in Stücke reißen. Der Krater auf der Aufnahme kann höchstens ein Indiz dafür sein, dass etwas mit kleinem, nicht mehr als ein paar hundert Gramm schwerem Gefechtskopf, eingesetzt wurde.

Ein Ringleitwerk sehe ich da keines, eher zufällig geformter Karton von den Verpackungen.

Jo, definitiv ein zufällig geformter Karton.

Passt beides nicht, keine doppelten Ringe, deutlich schmaler und insgesamt zu klein.


Da sieht man die Größe der Kartons im Verhältnis zum Truck dahinter. 107mm ist deutlich zu klein. Aber netter Versuch.

The Russian Defense Ministry says that a US coalition drone was in the vicinity of a humanitarian convoy when it was attacked outside Aleppo. According to the Russian military, the unmanned aircraft was a Predator drone.
“On the evening of September 19, in that specific region, a drone belonging to the international condition, which had taken off from the Incirlik air base in Turkey, was flying at a height of 3,600 meters and traveling at around 200 kilometers per hour,” said Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov.

“The object was in the area around the town of Urm Al-Kubra, where the convoy was a few minutes before it caught fire,” Konashenkov added. “It left after about 30 minutes.”

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“We have closely studied the video footage from where the incident took place and we did not find any signs of any ammunition having hit the convoy. There are no craters, while the vehicles have their chassis intact and they have not been severely damaged, which would have been the case from an airstrike,” Konashenkov said.

“All of the video footage demonstrates that the convoy caught fire, which strangely happened almost at exactly at the same time as militants started a large-scale offensive on Aleppo.”

“This type of drone can not only monitor the situation, but also guide ground weapons to their targets and inflict surgical airstrikes at objects located on the ground by itself,” the Russian spokesman explained.

“Our western colleages are putting their best efforts to hype up the situation and 'blur' the tragedy in Deir ez-Zor and to distract the international community from Al-Nusra’s advance on Aleppo and thus cover the US incompetence in distinguishing between the 'moderate' opposition and terrorists in Syria.”

Nein.

Muss aber absolut gar nix heissen.

Russia Had to Call U.S. Twice to Stop Syria Airstrike

BY PAUL MCLEARY - SEPTEMBER 20, 2016

On Saturday, about 30 minutes after precision bombs from an armada of American, British, Danish, and Australian warplanes began smashing into a large group of Islamic State fighters gathered near Deir el-Zour, Syria, the phone rang.

But there was a problem. No one at the operations center for the U.S.-led coalition could figure out what the Russian officer on the other end of the line was on about.

So he hung up, and called back.

By time the Russian officer found his designated contact — who was away from his desk — and explained that the coalition was actually hitting a Syrian army unit, “a good amount of strikes” had already taken place, U.S. Central Command spokesman Col. John Thomas told reporters at the Pentagon Tuesday.

U.S. commanders called off the strike within minutes, but the damage had been done. The incident Saturday killed an estimated 60 Syrian soldiers in what was the coalition’s first inadvertent attack on Syrian troops in the two-year air war. But it came at a tense time, as the week-long ceasefire brokered by the United States and Russia was less than 48 hours from completion.

Then all hell broke loose. During those 48 hours, the Russian foreign ministry accused the Pentagon of providing direct support for ISIS; the Syrian military broke the ceasefire; barrel bombs began falling again on Aleppo; and Syrian, and possibly Russian, aircraft obliterated a U.N. aid convoy near Aleppo, killing 12 aid workers and destroying about 20 trucks.

The United States had been planning the strike for two to three days, with the target under surveillance during that time, Thomas said Tuesday. Some reports have emerged that the Syrians weren’t wearing uniforms, and weren’t in the place that the coalition expected them to be, but defense officials wouldn’t comment on the particulars.

The U.S. military is now investigating the strike on the Syrian troops, and there is no timeline for its conclusion, U.S. defense officials said.

With the ceasefire in tatters, so too are any plans for the Americans and Russians to begin sharing operational information on ISIS and Jabhat Fateh al Sham (formerly known as Nusra Front, al Qaeda’s franchise in Syria) targets.

“We don’t move forward until the diplomats tell us to do that,” Thomas said, adding, “we’re waiting to see what we’re asked to do, but I don’t think it’s a situation where we are anticipating any great progress any time soon.”

Speaking at a conference in Washington Tuesday, another top U.S. military official said that any cooperation with the Russians is off, at least for the time being. Gen. Herbert “Hawk” Carlisle, head of the Air Combat Command, told reporters that “for the foreseeable future … we will be in deconfliction mode and not in the joint operations” mode with the Russians.

Mich würde es nicht wundern, wenn der Angriff die Retourkutsche für den Angriff auf Deir Azzor gewesen wäre.

Ist auch meine Vermutung.

Ausflüchte wie jene in den vergangenen Tagen erinnern fatal an die konfuse Desinformationskampagne, mit der Moskau schon vor zwei Jahren nach dem Abschuss des malaysischen Flugzeugs MH17 über der Ukraine von der eigenen Verantwortung ablenken wollte.

Kann es sein, dass der Link kaputt ist?

Jetzt gehts... zumindest die ersten Zeilen. Aber genau da stand, was mich interessiert hat: 2000 Flüchtlinge im Libanon wurden befragt. Könnte es sein, dass die Syrer nach geografischer Herkunft und politischer Präferenz unterschiedliche "Fluchtziele, geografisch" haben? Weil hier ja auch mal ne Studie mit Flüchtlingen in D genannt wurde, bei der die Mehrzahl Pro-Opposition war/ist.

So What?

This survey—a snapshot in time, and one that only includes Syrians in Lebanon—shows more popular support for the government than the opposition would like to believe, but more support for the opposition than the government would like to admit. The precise figures are less important than the core takeaway, however: Syrians are split in their loyalties, and those splits are comprehensible.

There is some truth in many of the existing narratives about the conflict, but they are inevitably oversimplifications. Minorities and people who prefer a more private role for religion tend to sympathize with the government, whose efforts to portray the opposition as dangerous religious fanatics may have paid off in shoring up a support base. Nonetheless, support for the government does not imply support for its massive human rights abuses or its dictatorship; as others have suggested, it may be more accurate to describe much of this constituency as anti-revolution rather than pro-government.

Opposition supporters conform to some of the conventional wisdoms, but not others. They are poorer and more religious than their government counterparts, but they do not appear to be demanding a religious state. Indeed, the foreign fighters most insistent on establishing an Islamic state in Syria are no one’s first choice, nor even their second.

Ironically, their tepid support base leans heavily toward old men who are no more religious than their peers, but are far less interested in politics. In contrast, the nationalist opposition, for all its imperfections, still commands the sympathies of the young, civic activists from the uprising’s early days. One may hope that, once the shooting stops, this constituency contains the kernel of a new civil society that can help Syria reconcile with itself.

"Fassbombe" ist ein Sammelbegriff für so ziemlich alle größeren Abwurfwirkmittel, die dort insbesondere von Helos eingesetzt werden. Selbstverständlich benutzt das Assad-Regime "selbstgebastelte" Bomben, erhält aber auch entsprechende Munition der Russen. Und da gibt es einige Bomben, die von (vieleicht auch mutwillig) unwissenden Laien als "Fassbomben" bezeichnet werden. Die OFAB-Serie mit stumpfer Vorderseite kann durchaus als "Fassbombe" betrachtet werden, auch wenn es sich dabei um reguläre Munition handelt... nur entspricht sie (von vorn betrachtet) eben nicht dem "klassischen" Bombendesign.

Was den Abwurf durch Helos angeht: Die Taktik ist ja gerade, dass man oberhalb der sicheren Wirkweite leichter Flak/sMG arbeitet. Für die ZU-23 beträgt diese Höhe etwa 2000 m. Eine Hip kann locker da drüber fliegen und trotzdem Bomben abwerfen. Auch dazu gibt es genug Videobeweise...

Was die Sprengfalle angeht: ORLY? In nem Depot des Roten Halbmondes? Beim Entladen? Gleichen gilt für TOW, da wurden 30 LKW beschädigt/zerstört, welche Gruppierung hat mal eben mehrere TOW über, um Lastwagen zu beschiessen, die eh auf "Rebellengebiet" unterwegs sind, während Aleppo unter massiven Druck steht?

Belingcat hat neue Bilder vom Ort des Geschehens

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Jetzt ist leider schon zu viel Zeit vergangen. Wenn man jetzt plötzlich Reste findet, können die auch aus anderen Landesteilen zu Propagandazwecken angeschafft worden sein. Die Chance zur Wahrheit wurde verpasst. Was jetzt passiert muss als wenige glaubwürdig angesehen werden.

Damaged Red Cross and Arab Red Crescent medical supplies are seen in a warehouse in the town of Orum al-Kubra on the western outskirts of the northern Syrian city of Aleppo on September 20, 2016, the morning after a convoy delivering aid was hit by a deadly air strike. The UN said at least 18 trucks in the 31-vehicle convoy were destroyed en route to deliver humanitarian assistance to the hard-to-reach town. / AFP / Omar haj kadour

Sorry, aber für mich ist das nur emotionalisierendes Geschwätz. Man zeigt Bilder zerstörter LKWs und ein Bild, nur ein einziges, wo man etwas sieht, das ein Leitwerk sein könnte, aber auch ein verformter Karton oder sonst was und schon kochen die Emotionen hoch. Von dir hätte ich mehr erwartet. Es bleibt dabei. Bisher keine wirklichen Beweise. Also, Ergebnis vorerst offen. Es kann Assad gewesen sein, es können die Russen gewesen sein, es könnte eine rivalisierende Gruppe gewesen sein (Al-Nusra, oder IS), es könnte vieles gewesen sein.

Beschädigte Hilfsgüter in einer Lagerhalle in in Orum al-Kubra, westlich von Aleppo. foto: apa/afp/omar haj kadour

"Plötzlich"? Das erste Krater-Foto aus der Lagerhalle, welches auch unter den ganzen Kartons (wohl eher zufällig) die Überreste einer russischen Fliegerbombe zeigt, ist am 20. September aufgenommen wurden, also direkt am nächsten Morgen. Ich hatte das auch schon auf der vorherigen Seite gepostet, aber extra nochmal für dich und andere mit Link zur gettyimages Seite:




http://www.gettyimages.de/ereignis/bombs-r...ure-id608673302

Aber wie du schon richtig sagst, "man kann sich jede Situation so drehen wie sie dem eigenen Weltbild entspricht, bzw dem Glauben wie es unbedingt gewesen sein muss"...