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goschi
ZITAT(Dave76 @ 14. Apr 2014, 12:22) *
Nochmal zur Verdeutlichung:

"Echte" Crimean self-defense units, wie sie von Journalisten und Nachrichtenagenturen oft betitelt wurden, sind so gut wie gar nicht auf den Bildern von der Krim zu sehen. Zu 99% handelte es sich um russische Armeeeinheiten unterschiedlicher Couleur (Luftlandetruppen, Marineinfanteristen, Spezialkräfte).

Dave, eigentlich verstand man in allen Medien durchgehend, die sehr uniform uniformierten Herren in den grünen Tarnanzügen als Krim Selbstverteidigungskräfte.

ZITAT(Dave76 @ 14. Apr 2014, 12:22) *
Reguläre russische Einheiten auf der Krim:

(vermutlich Luftlandetruppen des VDV)


Dass es selbstverständlich offensichtlich reguläre russische Einheiten waren, ist klar, ändert aber nichts an der Nomenklatur, mit der sie gerade auch aus russischen Medien betitelt wurden.
Da muss man jetzt auch nicht spitzfindig sein, es geht hierbei darum, welche Kräfte (offiziell) als was dargestellt wurden.

Die FSB Grad Bilder zeigen aber eben offensichtlich nochmal etwas ganz anderes, es ist gut sichtbar, dass es sich nicht um die selben handelt, die als Krim-Selbstverteidigungskräfte betitelt wurden, die Ausrüstung, die Waffen, der tarnanzug, alles deutlich abweichend.
Dave76
^ Es wurden alle möglichen Begriffe verwandt, am Häufigsten fanden sich die Bezeichnungen unidentified gunmen, unidentified armed men, masked gunmen in military uniform oft aber auch military troops, soldiers believed to be Russian, aber auch deutlich Russian soldiers. Die Bezeichnung Crimean self-defense units findet sich bei Bildunterschriften der westlichen Nachrichtenagenturen selten und ist meiner Meinung auch eher untauglich, da hier, im Vergleich zu den eher offenen Bezeichnungen wie unidentified gunmen, impliziert wird, dass es sich um lokale Einheiten der Krim handle. Dass die russischen Medien und Regierung diesen Begriff verwandten macht ihn nicht tauglicher, im Gegenteil, hier sollte ja bewusst etwas impliziert werden.
Ich finde wir hier sollten schon deutlich aussprechen was zu sehen ist, und auf solche eher missverständlichen bzw. potentiell ambivalenten Bezeichnugen verzichten. Alternativ könnte man natürlich auch "Crimean self-defense units" in Anführungsstriche setzten, um deutlich zu machen, dass man den Begriff bewußt als Zitat verwendet und nicht unbedingt als eindeutige Zugehörigkeitsbezeichnung nutzt.
goschi
Du darfst auch deutschsprachige Namen verwenden, deine Coolness verliert deswegen keine Hip-Levels wink.gif
Und hier, im deutschsprachigen Raum war in den Medien bald sehr oft von den Krim-Selbstverteidigungskräften die Rede, auch weil es von russischer Seite her genutzt wurde, andere Bezeichnungen waren vor allem en vogue, weil man nicht die russische Propaganda-Sprache benutzen wollte.

und wir sind kein akademisches Forschungsforum, wir müssen keine ewig standhaltende Definition begründen, etwas weniger abgehoben tuts auch.
Markus11
ZITAT(sqcic @ 14. Apr 2014, 13:01) *
ZITAT(Markus11 @ 13. Apr 2014, 14:26) *
Ich stelle mir das doch recht schwer vor, immerhin fallen Leute die eine Schutzweste tragen auch einfach um wenn sie angeschossen werden. Als Beispiel sei das Video des Amerikaner neben dem Hummer im Irak genannt der von dem "Sniper" mit der auf Bullpup umgebauten Ak/Dragunov angeschossen wurde. (Ich hoffe mal ihr wisst welches Video ich meine.)
Dieses Umfallen ist durch den bloßen Schreck bedingt. Die Wucht des Geschosses reicht nicht aus, einen Mann zu Fall zu bringen. Ansonsten müsste auch der Mann, der die Waffe abfeuert, umfallen; schon aus physikalischen Gründen, denn: Kraft = Gegenkraft. Der forensische Ballistiker Alex Jason hat sich mal aus nächster Nähe mit .308 beschießen lassen, während er auf einem Bein stand, um das zu demonstrieren: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaS_2l8nGdg


Hätte ich mir auch selber denken können hmpf.gif, dank fürs Video smile.gif.
Nite
Wobei es sich auch bei einigen der "pro-russian gunmen" um russische Spetznatz handeln dürfte.
Dave76
ZITAT(Nite @ 14. Apr 2014, 15:06) *
Wobei es sich auch bei einigen der "pro-russian gunmen" um russische Spetznatz handeln dürfte.

Welche 'pro-russian gunmen' meinst du denn nun? Krim oder Ost-Ukraine?
Nite
ZITAT(Dave76 @ 14. Apr 2014, 15:20) *
ZITAT(Nite @ 14. Apr 2014, 15:06) *
Wobei es sich auch bei einigen der "pro-russian gunmen" um russische Spetznatz handeln dürfte.

Welche 'pro-russian gunmen' meinst du denn nun? Krim oder Ost-Ukraine?

Sowohl als auch.
Dave76
ZITAT(Nite @ 14. Apr 2014, 15:23) *
ZITAT(Dave76 @ 14. Apr 2014, 15:20) *
ZITAT(Nite @ 14. Apr 2014, 15:06) *
Wobei es sich auch bei einigen der "pro-russian gunmen" um russische Spetznatz handeln dürfte.

Welche 'pro-russian gunmen' meinst du denn nun? Krim oder Ost-Ukraine?

Sowohl als auch.

Dass bei den 'pro-Russian gunmen' auf der Krim auch russische Spezialkräfte dabei waren habe ich doch eigentlich recht deutlich gemacht, dachte ich. Bei den Bildern aus der Ost-Ukraine habe ich noch keine solchen Truppen erblickt, welche meinst du denn konkret?
Dave76

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Pro-Russian armed men stand guard as pro-Russian supporters gather outside the mayor's office in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. Pro-Russian separatists who said they were part of a new "Donetsk People's Republic" in eastern Ukraine appealed on Monday for Russian President Vladimir Putin to help defend them against Ukrainian government forces. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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A pro-Russian armed man stands guard as pro-Russian supporters gather outside the mayor's office in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. P REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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A boy shakes hands with a pro-Russian armed man outside the mayor's office in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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Pro-Russian armed men stand guard outside the mayor's office in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. Towns in eastern Ukraine on Monday braced for military action from government forces as a deadline passed for pro-Russian separatists to disarm and end their occupation of state buildings or face a major "anti-terrorist" operation. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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A local resident (R) talks to pro-Russian armed men standing guard outside the mayor's office in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. Towns in eastern Ukraine on Monday braced for military action from government forces as a deadline passed for pro-Russian separatists to disarm and end their occupation of state buildings or face a major "anti-terrorist" operation. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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A local resident (2nd L) poses for a picture with pro-Russian armed men standing guard outside the mayor's office in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich





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Armed men in military fatigues stood guard Monday outside a regional administration building they seized in the eastern Ukrainian city of Slovyansk. Genya Savilov AFP/Getty Images



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A pro-Russian armed man stands guard on a street in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. Ukraine's president on Monday threatened military action after pro-Russian separatists occupying government buildings in the east ignored an ultimatum to leave and another group of rebels attacked a police headquarters in the troubled region. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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A pro-Russian armed man (2nd R) stands guard as other unidentified armed men walk nearby on a street in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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Pro-Russian armed men walk near the mayor's office in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. Towns in eastern Ukraine on Monday braced for military action from government forces as a deadline passed for pro-Russian separatists to disarm and end their occupation of state buildings or face a major "anti-terrorist" operation. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich


Almeran
Die sind erstaunlich einheitlich und modern ausgerüstet.
Dave76
ZITAT(Almeran @ 14. Apr 2014, 17:49) *
Die sind erstaunlich einheitlich und modern ausgerüstet.

Im Vergleich zu den pro-russischen Bewaffneten welche ich gestern gepostet habe sicherlich, allerdings bin ich mir auch bei diesen Bewaffneten ziemlich sicher, dass es sich nicht um reguläre russische Truppen handelt.
Almeran
Wäre interessant zu wissen wo die Ausrüstung herkommt. Zufällig in den Spinden einer Polizeistation gefunden haben sie das Zeug sicher nicht.
goschi
Das scheint nur knapp ein halbes Dutzend verschiedener Köpfe zu sein, mit identischem Tarnanzug, dazu CRC-Ausrüstung (aus der Polizeistation?) und ansonsten sehr heterogener Ausrüstung.
Slavomir
ZITAT(Almeran @ 14. Apr 2014, 18:16) *
Wäre interessant zu wissen wo die Ausrüstung herkommt. Zufällig in den Spinden einer Polizeistation gefunden haben sie das Zeug sicher nicht.

Weichluft, ist dort sehr beliebt.
Kameratt
Einige SBU-Gebäude haben sie ja auch übernommen. Zumindest in einem haben sie haufenweise Waffen und Ausrüstung gefunden.
-WDW-
Abgesehen davon, kann man das Zeug genauso wie in Deutschland in Waffen- oder Jagdgeschäften käuflich erwerben.
Auch in Deutschland kann man die neuste russische Uniform in jeglicher Ausführung
(Winter /Sommer) z. B. bei Ebay bestellen.
Almeran
Spricht für einen gewissen Grad an Planung und Vorbereitung.
Dave76

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The head of the local police station Herman Pristupa, brandishes firearms at the entrance to a police headquarters stormed by pro-Russian activists in Horlivka, Ukraine, Monday, April 14, 2014. Ukraine's acting President Oleksandr Turchynov on Monday called for the deployment of United Nations peacekeeping troops in the east of the country, where pro-Russian insurgents have occupied buildings in nearly 10 cities. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)



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Ukrainian police officers guard the entrance to a police station stormed by pro-Russian activists in the eastern Ukraine town of Horlivka Monday, April 14, 2014. Several government buildings have fallen to mobs of Moscow loyalists in recent days as unrest spreads across the east of the country. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)



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A Ukrainian police officer stands with a Ukrainian flag on an overhang above the entrance to a police station stormed by pro-Russian activists in the eastern Ukraine town of Horlivka Monday, April 14, 2014. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)



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Pro-Russian men storm a police station in Horlivka, eastern Ukraine, Monday, April 14, 2014. Ukraine's acting President Oleksandr Turchynov on Monday called for the deployment of United Nations peacekeeping troops in the east of the country, where pro-Russian insurgents have occupied buildings in nearly 10 cities. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)



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A pro-Russian wearing a gas mask storms a police station in Horlivka, eastern Ukraine, Monday, April 14, 2014. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)



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A pro-Russian armed man stands guard at the mayor's office in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. Pro-Russian separatists who said they were part of a new "Donetsk People's Republic" in eastern Ukraine appealed on Monday for Russian President Vladimir Putin to help defend them against Ukrainian government forces. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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Commander of the Slaviansk self-defence battalion Vyacheslav Ponomaryov addresses the media at the mayor's office in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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An unidentified man in a military uniform gets out of a truck on a street in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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Armed pro-Russian activists walk through a children's playground near to the seized Ukrainian regional administration building in the eastern Ukrainian town of Slovyansk, Ukraine, Monday, April 14, 2014. (AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)



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Armed pro-Russian activists walk through a street near to the seized Ukrainian regional administration building in the eastern Ukrainian town of Slovyansk, Ukraine, Monday, April 14, 2014. (AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)
Almeran
Jetzt haben die 'Weichluftkrieger' schon RPG-2x über der Schulter hängen?
Dave76
ZITAT(Almeran @ 14. Apr 2014, 21:56) *
Jetzt haben die 'Weichluftkrieger' schon RPG-2x über der Schulter hängen?

Ich weiß nicht genau worauf diese 'Weichluftkrieger'-Rhetorik abzielt, da es sich ja offensichtlich um mit scharfen Schußwaffen ausgestattete Männer handelt, aber mal als Hinweis: die ukrainischen Streitkräfte verfügen über RPG-18 (welche ich hier sehe), und es wurden in den letzten Tagen einige reguläre ukrainische Soldaten von pro-russischen Milizen entwaffnet, ebenso ist mir ein Video bekannt, welches das Aufbringen eines ukrainischen Militärlasters mit einigen Kisten RPG-18 durch pro-russische Kräfte zeigt.
Parsifal
ZITAT(Almeran @ 14. Apr 2014, 20:58) *
Spricht für einen gewissen Grad an Planung und Vorbereitung.

Würdest du es ohne einen gewissen Grad an Planung und Vorbereitung angehen oder was willst du uns mit deinem Kommentar sagen?
Golemjäger
ZITAT(Dave76 @ 14. Apr 2014, 17:45) *


Welche Tarnfarbe ist das in diesem und den anderen Bildern der Reihe? Hatte zu erst auf SURPAT getippt aber da fehlt das Dunkelbraun?
Lalbahadur
Das Muster heißt Spekter-S, wird von SPOSN hergestellt und von der ukrainischen Border-Guard genutzt.
Dave76

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Armed pro-Russian activists seize the Ukrainian regional administration building in the eastern Ukrainian town of Slovyansk, Ukraine, Monday, April 14, 2014. A pro-Russian mob stormed a Ukrainian police station in Horlivka, another city near the Russian border. Later in the day, armed men in masks also seized control of a military airport outside the city of Slovyansk, also in the Donetsk region bordering Russia. (AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)



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Armed men stands in front of the occupied police station in Slaviansk, Ukraine, April 14, 2014. (EPA/ROMAN PILIPEY)



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Armed pro-Russian activists stand outside the Ukrainian regional administration building in the eastern Ukrainian town of Slovyansk, Ukraine, Monday, April 14, 2014. (AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)



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Armed pro-Russian activists seize the Ukrainian regional administration building in the eastern Ukrainian town of Slovyansk, Ukraine, Monday, April 14, 2014. (AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)



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A pro-Russian armed man looks on near the mayor's office in Slaviansk April 14, 2014. Towns in eastern Ukraine on Monday braced for military action from government forces as a deadline passed for pro-Russian separatists to disarm and end their occupation of state buildings or face a major "anti-terrorist" operation. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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Women pray for peace near a regional administration building that was seized by armed pro-Russian activists in the eastern Ukrainian town of Slovyansk, Ukraine, Monday, April 14, 2014. A pro-Russian mob stormed a Ukrainian police station in Horlivka, another city near the Russian border. Later in the day, armed men in masks also seized control of a military airport outside the city of Slovyansk, also in the Donetsk region bordering Russia. (AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)
Dave76

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Ukrainian Army troops receive munitions at a field on the outskirts of Izyum, Eastern Ukraine, Tuesday, April 15, 2014. An Associated Press reporter saw at least 14 armored personnel carriers with Ukrainian flags, one helicopter and military trucks parked 40 kilometers (24 miles) north of the city on Tuesday. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)



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Ukrainian soldiers stand at an APC as Ukrainian army troops receive ammunition in a field on the outskirts of Izyum, Eastern Ukraine, Tuesday, April 15, 2014. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)



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A Ukrainian soldier carries a box with ammunition as Ukrainian army troops receive ammunition in a field on the outskirts of Izyum, Eastern Ukraine, Tuesday, April 15, 2014. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)



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Ukrainian army troops receive ammunition, with a Ukrainian flag in the back, in a field on the outskirts of Izyum, Eastern Ukraine, Tuesday, April 15, 2014. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)



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Ukrainian soldiers hold hand grenades as Ukrainian army troops receive ammunition in a field on the outskirts of Izyum, Eastern Ukraine, Tuesday, April 15, 2014. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)





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Ukrainian soldiers stand at APCs, with Ukrainian flags in the back, as Ukrainian army troops receive ammunition in a field on the outskirts of Izyum, Eastern Ukraine, Tuesday, April 15, 2014. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)



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Ukrainian army troops receive ammunition in a field on the outskirts of Izyum, Eastern Ukraine, Tuesday, April 15, 2014. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)



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Ukrainian police walk along a road as Ukrainian army troops receive ammunition in a field on the outskirts of Izyum, Eastern Ukraine, Tuesday, April 15, 2014. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)



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Ukrainian Army troops await the issue of munitions at a field on the outskirts of Izyum, Eastern Ukraine, Tuesday, April 15, 2014. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)
Dave76

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An Ukrainian soldier (L) aims his rifle at pro-Russia protesters gathered in front of an Ukrainian airbase in Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 15, 2014. Ukrainian armed forces on Tuesday launched a "special operation" against militiamen in the country's Russian speaking east, authorities said, recapturing a military airfield from pro-Moscow separatists. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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An Ukrainian soldier aims his rifle at pro-Russia protesters gathered in front of a Ukrainian airbase in Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 15, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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Ukrainian border guards stand on guard at a base close to the Russian border near Donetsk April 15, 2014. REUTERS/Konstantin Chernichkin



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An Ukrainian border guard looks out from a base close to the Russian border near Donetsk April 15, 2014. REUTERS/Konstantin Chernichkin



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An Ukrainian border guard stands on guard at a base close to the Russian border near Donetsk April 15, 2014. REUTERS/Konstantin Chernichkin



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Ukrainian army troops stand next to an armored vehicle with a Ukrainian flag on the outskirts of Izyum, Eastern Ukraine, Tuesday, April 15, 2014. An Associated Press reporter saw at least 14 armored personnel carriers with Ukrainian flags, one helicopter and military trucks parked 40 kilometers (24 miles) north of the city of Slovyansk on Tuesday. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)





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Ukranian troops stand guard at a checkpoint near the city of Izium in the Kharkiv region of east Ukraine April 15, 2014. Russia declared Ukraine on the brink of civil war on Tuesday as Kiev said an "anti-terrorist operation" against pro-Moscow separatists was under way, with troops and armoured personnel carriers seen near a flashpoint eastern town. REUTERS/Maks Levin



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A Ukrainian soldier stands guard at a checkpoint near the city of Barvenkovo in the Kharkiv region of east Ukraine April 15, 2014. REUTERS/Maks Levin



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Members of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry walk past a MI-8 military helicopter and armored personnel carriers at a checkpoint near the town of Izium, eastern Ukraine, April 15, 2014. REUTERS/Dmitry Madorsky



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A Ukrainian soldier is seen near armored personnel carriers at a checkpoint near the town of Izium in Eastern Ukraine, April 15, 2014. REUTERS/Dmitry Madorsky



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Ukrainian soldiers are seen near a MI-8 military helicopter and armored personnel carrier at a checkpoint near the town of Izium in Eastern Ukraine, April 15, 2014. REUTERS/Dmitry Madorsky
Dave76

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Ukrainian army troops set up a position at an airport in Kramatorsk, eastern Ukraine, Tuesday, April 15, 2014. In the first Ukrainian military action against a pro-Russian uprising in the east, government forces clashed Tuesday with about 30 armed gunmen at a small airport in Kramatorsk. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)



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In this photo taken on Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Ukrainian army troops guard an airport in Kramatorsk, eastern Ukraine. (AP Photo/Olga Ivashchenko)



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Ukrainian soldiers clash with pro-Russia protesters in a field near Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. Ukrainian forces tightened their grip on the eastern town of Kramatorsk on Wednesday after securing control over an airfield from pro-Russian separatist militiamen, prompting Russian President Vladimir Putin to warn of the risk of civil war. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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A Ukrainian soldier clashes with a pro-Russia protester in the field near Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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A Ukrainian soldier argues with a pro-Russia protester in a field near Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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Ukrainian soldiers walk in the field near pro-Russia protesters near Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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A Ukrainian soldier smokes a cigarette as he sits on an airborne combat vehicle near Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica
Dave76

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Ukrainian soldiers drive on an airborne combat vehicle near Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. Ukrainian forces tightened their grip on the eastern town of Kramatorsk on Wednesday after securing control over an airfield from pro-Russian separatist militiamen, prompting Russian President Vladimir Putin to warn of the risk of civil war. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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Ukrainian soldiers drive on airborne combat vehicles near Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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Pro-Russia protesters stand in front of Ukrainian soldiers sitting on an airborne combat vehicle in the field near Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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A boy stands in front of Ukrainian soldiers sitting on an airborne combat vehicle in Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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Ukrainian soldiers stand on an airborne combat vehicle in Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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Ukrainian soldiers sit on an airborne combat vehicle in Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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Ukrainian soldiers sit on an airborne combat vehicle surrounded by pro-Russia protesters in Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica
Dave76

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Armed men, wearing black and orange ribbons of St. George - a symbol widely associated with pro-Russian protests in Ukraine, drive an airborne combat vehicle (L) with a Russian flag seen on the top, outside Kramatorsk April 16, 2014. Ukrainian forces tightened their grip on the eastern town of Kramatorsk on Wednesday after securing control over an airfield from pro-Russian separatist militiamen, prompting Russian President Vladimir Putin to warn of the risk of civil war. REUTERS/Maks Levin



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Armed men, wearing black and orange ribbons of St. George - a symbol widely associated with pro-Russian protests in Ukraine, drive an armoured personnel carrier, with a Russian flag seen on the top, in Slaviansk April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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Armed men drive military vehicles outside Kramatorsk April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Maks Levin



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Armed men ride on an armoured personnel carrier in Slaviansk April 16, 2014. Six armoured troop carriers entered the eastern Ukrainian town of Slaviansk on Wednesday carrying the Russian national flag and the banner of pro-Russian separatists, a Reuters eyewitness said. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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Armed men ride an armoured personnel carrier, as one of them (2nd L) wear a black and orange ribbon of St. George - a symbol widely associated with pro-Russian protests in Ukraine, in Slaviansk April 16, 2014. Six armoured troop carriers entered the eastern Ukrainian town of Slaviansk on Wednesday carrying the Russian national flag and the banner of pro-Russian separatists, a Reuters eyewitness said. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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Armed men drive an armoured personnel carrier in Slaviansk April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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Armed men stand near armoured personnel carriers, with an airborne forces flag seen on top of one of the vehicles, in Slaviansk April 16, 2014. Six armoured troop carriers entered the eastern Ukrainian town of Slaviansk on Wednesday carrying the Russian national flag and the banner of pro-Russian separatists, a Reuters eyewitness said. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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Combat vehicles with a Russian flag on one of them and gunmen on top are parked in downtown of Slovyansk on Wednesday, April 16, 2014. The troops on those vehicles wore green camouflage uniforms, had automatic weapons and grenade launchers and at least one had the St. George ribbon attached to his uniform, which has become a symbol of the pro-Russian insurgency in eastern Ukraine. (AP Photo/ Sergei Grits)



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Armed men are seen on and near armoured personnel carriers, with an airborne forces flag (L) seen on the top of one of the vehicles, as local residents gather nearby in Slaviansk April 16, 2014. Six armoured troop carriers entered the eastern Ukrainian town of Slaviansk on Wednesday carrying the Russian national flag and the banner of pro-Russian separatists, a Reuters eyewitness said. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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Combat vehicles with gunmen on top make their way through a check-point to the town of Slovyansk on Wednesday, April 16, 2014. The troops on those vehicles wore green camouflage uniforms, had automatic weapons and grenade launchers and at least one had the St. George ribbon attached to his uniform, which has become a symbol of the pro-Russian insurgency in eastern Ukraine. (AP Photo/ Sergei Grits)



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A woman takes pictures of armed men, wearing black and orange ribbons of St. George - a symbol widely associated with pro-Russian protests in Ukraine, in Slaviansk April 16, 2014. Six armoured troop carriers entered the eastern Ukrainian town of Slaviansk on Wednesday carrying the Russian national flag and the banner of pro-Russian separatists, a Reuters eyewitness said. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich


Ein einziger IFF-Albtraum...

Dave76

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Armed men stand near armoured personnel carriers with a Russian flag on top one of the vehicles, in Slaviansk April 16, 2014. Six armoured troop carriers entered the eastern Ukrainian town of Slaviansk on Wednesday carrying the Russian national flag and the banner of pro-Russian separatists, a Reuters eyewitness said. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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A masked pro-Russian gunman guards combat vehicles with Russian, Donetsk Republic and Ukrainian paratroopers, flags and gunmen on top, parked in downtown of Slovyansk on Wednesday, April 16, 2014. The troops on those vehicles wore green camouflage uniforms, had automatic weapons and grenade launchers and at least one had the St. George ribbon attached to his uniform, which has become a symbol of the pro-Russian insurgency in eastern Ukraine. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)



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Masked pro-Russian gunmen attack a photojournalist near combat vehicles flying a Russian flag, in downtown of Slovyansk on Wednesday, April 16, 2014. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)



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Masked pro-Russian gunmen attack photojournalist for the Russian newspaper "Kommersant" Ilya Pitalyov, by combat vehicles flying a Russian flag in downtown of Slovyansk on Wednesday, April 16, 2014. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)



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Masked pro-Russian gunmen attack photojournalist for the Russian newspaper "Kommersant" Ilya Pitalyov near combat vehicles flying a Russian flag, in downtown of Slovyansk on Wednesday, April 16, 2014. T (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)



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Masked pro-Russian gunmen guards combat vehicles with Russian, Donetsk Republic and Ukrainian paratroopers, flags and gunmen on top, parked in downtown of Slovyansk on Wednesday, April 16, 2014. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)





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A masked gunman guards combat vehicles with Russian and Donetsk Republic flags and gunmen on top, parked in downtown of Slovyansk on Wednesday, April 16, 2014. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)



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Masked pro-Russian gunmen sit on top of combat vehicles parked in downtown of Slovyansk on Wednesday, April 16, 2014. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)

Black Hawk
FSLK 200 bei der Freifallauslbildung in den USA.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.7...0517&type=1

Dave76
Schnelle Frage an die Mods: Ukraine-Bilder weiter hier posten oder so langsam mal auslagern?
writer
Bitte bitte Auslagern!


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Fallschirmspringen in Tennessee

Angehörige der Fernspählehrkompanie 200 haben in der vergangenen Woche im US-Bundesstaat Tennessee ihre Fertigkeiten bei Fallschirmsprüngen aus großer Höhe geschult.
In der Nähe von Memphis übten die 20 Aufklärungsspezialisten unter anderem das Gleitfallschirmspringen mit voller Ausrüstung.
Zum Artikel in der "aktuell" geht es hier: http://bit.ly/Bundeswehr_aktuell_14_2014
Die Kompanie (http://bit.ly/FeSpähLehrKp200) ist der Division Schnelle Kräfte unterstellt.
/Andreas

Fotos: #Bundeswehr / Oliver Bender / #Heer FeSpähLehrKp 200



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Vorbereitung vor dem Sprung ist das A und O. Neben sicherheitsrelevanten Überprüfungen gilt es auch die Navigation einzurichten.



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Bereitmachen zum Sprung. Die Soldaten der Fernspählehrkompanie 200 werden auf 3.500 Meter Höhe geflogen.





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Taktisches Springen bedeutet, dass die Ausrüstung natürlich nicht fehlen darf. Für jeden Sprung müssen genaue Flugbahnberechnungen durchgeführt werden.



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Der Erde entgegen. Aus verschiedenen Höhen müssen die Fernspäher, erst im Freifall dann am Fallschirm, ihr Ziel erreichen.











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Die Witterungsbeständigkeit ist neben der Kosteneffizienz ein wichtiger Faktor, warum Sprungdienste wie diese in Memphis, USA, durchgeführt werden.



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eim Infiltrieren aus der Luft ist es besonders wichtig, dass der Trupp / die Gruppe zusammenbleibt. Aus diesem Grund werden verschiedene Abläufe geübt.



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Zielgenaues Absetzen, zügig und lautlos. Die Infiltration aus der Luft ist nur eine der vielen Möglichkeiten, um die Fernspähtruppe zum Auftragsort zu verbringen.
docholiday
ZITAT(Dave76 @ 7. Apr 2014, 12:18) *
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Combat divers "Kampfschwimmer" of German special naval forces are pictured during a presentation by the German army "Bundeswehr" in Eckernfoerde, Schleswig-Holstein, April 5, 2014. German combat divers celebrated their 50th birthday on April 1. REUTERS/Fabian Bimmer


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Gibt es einen Grund, warum die keine ballistischen Helme tragen? Behindert das beim Tauchen/Schwimmen, haben ja aber sonst auch jede menge Zeug an.
SLAP
Das sind ballistische Helme.
docholiday
ZITAT(SLAP @ 16. Apr 2014, 18:45) *
Das sind ballistische Helme.



Sicher? Für mich sieht das nach einem Ops Core Base Jump Helm aus (nicht ballistisch), wenn man sich mal das NVG mount anschaut dürfte das stimmen. Auch die Farbe sieht eher nach Base Jump Tan als nach FAST Ballistic Tan aus.

http://www.ops-core.com/FAST_Base_Jump_Mil...elmet_P27C6.cfm
Dave76

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People stand near armed men on an armoured personnel carrier in Slaviansk April 16, 2014. At least three armoured personal carriers that were driven in to the eastern Ukrainian city of Slaviansk had been under the control of Ukrainian armed forces earlier on Wednesday, Reuters photographers said. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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Armed men, some wearing black and orange ribbons of St. George - a symbol widely associated with pro-Russian protests in Ukraine, sit on armoured personnel carriers in Slaviansk April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich



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A masked pro-Russian gunman speaks with local residence in downtown Slovyansk on Wednesday, April 16, 2014. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)



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Women enter and gunmen leave a city administration building in the city of Donetsk, Eastern Ukraine, Wednesday, April 16, 2014. Kiev authorities and Western countries say tens of thousands of Russian troops are stationed near the border with Ukraine and fear that unrest in the east will be used by Moscow as a pretext for a military incursion. (AP Photo/ Alexander Ermochenko)



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Men in uniform, one of them with a gun on a shoulder, wearing hand bandages of so-called Slavic patriotic organization reading: Oplot ( Stronghold), enter a city administration building in the city of Donetsk, Eastern Ukraine, Wednesday, April 16, 2014. (AP Photo/ Alexander Ermochenko)



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Men in uniform, one of them with a gun, wearing hand bandages of so-called Slavic patriotic organization reading: Oplot ( Stronghold), stand in a city administration building in the city of Donetsk, Eastern Ukraine, Wednesday, April 16, 2014. (AP Photo/ Alexander Ermochenko)



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People walk past an Ukrainian Army combat vehicle parked near a railway in Kramatorsk, Ukraine, Wednesday, April 16, 2014. The central government has so far been unable to rein in the insurgents, who it says are being stirred up by paid operatives from Russia and have seized numerous government facilities in at least nine eastern cities to press their demands for broader autonomy and closer ties with Russia. (AP Photo/ Evgeniy Maloletka)



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A fighter jet flies above as Ukrainian soldiers sit on an armoured personnel carrier in Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. Ukrainian government forces and separatist pro-Russian militia staged rival shows of force in eastern Ukraine on Wednesday amid escalating rhetoric on the eve of crucial four-power talks in Geneva on the former Soviet country's future. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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Ukrainian soldiers sit on top of armoured personnel carriers in Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica



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A Ukrainian soldier jumps off an armoured personnel carrier in Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine April 16, 2014. REUTERS/Marko Djurica
MajorPayne
Danke für's Posten! Auf dem letzten Bild erkennt man übrigens den Reporter von VICE (braune Jacke, daneben wohl sein Kamerakumpel).
skape
http://www.battlefieldscars.com/

Eine Menge an seltenen und teilweise auch "graphic" Weltkriegs-Photos.

Viel Spaß
Dave76
ZITAT(MajorPayne @ 16. Apr 2014, 20:54) *
Danke für's Posten!

Bitteschön!

ZITAT(MajorPayne @ 16. Apr 2014, 20:54) *
Auf dem letzten Bild erkennt man übrigens den Reporter von VICE (braune Jacke, daneben wohl sein Kamerakumpel).

Jupp, Simon Ostrovsky, war auch schon zuvor auf einem anderen Bild zu sehen, wer's findet kriegt 'nen Keks.
Dave76

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LAGOS, Nigeria (April 15, 2014) - U.S. and German service members offer advice about clearing rooms to Nigerian sailors during a familiarization exercise during Exercise Obangame Express 2014 (OE-14). OE-14 is a Gulf of Guinea-based multinational maritime exercise designed to improve cooperation, interdiction expertise and information sharing among West and Central African maritime force in order to increase maritime safety and security in the region. (U.S. Navy Photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Weston Jones/Released)
Andr
Ein paar Fotos vom Mexico Urlaub. Eigentlich wollte ich das Museo de Enervantes sehen, leider ist es der Öffentlichkeit nicht zugänglich... sad.gif
Dafür gabs aber in Mexico City das hier zu sehen























FRAGE:
Wie wärs mit einem Topic im Algemeinem Forum für Urlaubsfotos mit militärgeschichtlichem Hintergrund (wer irgendwo war wo es was interessantes wie Museum, Burg, Festung usw gibt postet die Bilder damit auch andere wissen was es dort zu sehen gibt) ?
-WDW-
China

writer
ZITAT(docholiday @ 16. Apr 2014, 19:52) *
ZITAT(SLAP @ 16. Apr 2014, 18:45) *
Das sind ballistische Helme.



Sicher? Für mich sieht das nach einem Ops Core Base Jump Helm aus (nicht ballistisch), wenn man sich mal das NVG mount anschaut dürfte das stimmen. Auch die Farbe sieht eher nach Base Jump Tan als nach FAST Ballistic Tan aus.

http://www.ops-core.com/FAST_Base_Jump_Mil...elmet_P27C6.cfm


Positiv

Hier auch nochmal ohne den 3FTD-Bezug:

-WDW-
Frauen in USMC













Dave76
Shayetet 13 (Fotos: Gadi Kabalo)























docholiday
ZITAT(writer @ 17. Apr 2014, 19:55) *
ZITAT(docholiday @ 16. Apr 2014, 19:52) *
ZITAT(SLAP @ 16. Apr 2014, 18:45) *
Das sind ballistische Helme.



Sicher? Für mich sieht das nach einem Ops Core Base Jump Helm aus (nicht ballistisch), wenn man sich mal das NVG mount anschaut dürfte das stimmen. Auch die Farbe sieht eher nach Base Jump Tan als nach FAST Ballistic Tan aus.

http://www.ops-core.com/FAST_Base_Jump_Mil...elmet_P27C6.cfm


Positiv

Hier auch nochmal ohne den 3FTD-Bezug:

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Scheint vielleicht echt irgendwie mit Wasser zu tun zu haben, die Shayetet 13 Bilder von Dave, gleich hier drüber, zeigen auch wieder den Base Jump.
writer

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A U.S. Army Special Forces soldier assigned to Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force-Afghanistan provides security during an advising mission in Afghanistan, April 10, 2014.
(U.S. Army photo by Spc. Sara Wakai/ Released)



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A U.S. Army Special Forces soldier assigned to Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force-Afghanistan provides security during an advising mission in Afghanistan, April 10, 2014.
(U.S. Army photo by Spc. Sara Wakai/ Released)



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A U.S. Army Special Forces soldier assigned to Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force-Afghanistan provides security during an advising mission in Afghanistan, April 10, 2014.
(U.S. Army photo by Spc. Sara Wakai/ Released)
Dave76





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Marine snipers with the Maritime Raid Force (MRF), 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU), fire at targets aboard the Atlas 9710, a cargo vessel utilized for training, during Interoperabiltiy-Maritime at Camp Pendelton, Calif., Feb. 27, 2014. The MRF will provide the MEU with the capabiltiy to conduct Maritime Interdicition Operations (MIO) on moving or stationary maritime platforms. (U. S. Marine Corps photos by Lance Cpl. Laura Y. Raga/ Released)
Dave76

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PM paramilitary police CORE elite unit personnel patrol the Favela da Mare shantytown complex in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on March 30, 2014 early morning. More than 1,000 police backed by the military and armored vehicles occupied the vast Mare favela near Rio's international airport at dawn Sunday, just 74 days before the World Cup. (Photo by Yasuyoshi Chiba/AFP Photo)



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Brazilian Navy soldiers enter the unpacified Complexo da Mare, one of the largest “favela” complexes in Rio de Janeiro, on March 30, 2014. The government has deployed federal forces to occupy the group of violence-plagued slums ahead of the June 12 start of the 2014 FIFA World Cup. The group of 16 communities house around 130,000 residents and have been dominated by drug gangs and militias. (Photo by Mario Tama/Getty Images)



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Brazilian Navy soldiers enter the unpacified Complexo da Mare, one of the largest 'favela' complexes in Rio, on March 30, 2014 in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Mare is located close to Rio's international airport and has been mentioned as a likely pacification target for the police amid the city's efforts to improve security ahead of the 2014 FIFA World Cup and Rio 2016 Olympic Games. (Photo by Buda Mendes/Getty Images)



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A policeman of Special Operations Battalion (BOPE) looks for drugs and weapons at the Mare slums complex in Rio de Janeiro March 30, 2014. (REUTERS/Ricardo Moraes)



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A Brazilian military police officers find drugs after entering the unpacified Complexo da Mare, one of the largest 'favela' complexes in Rio, on March 30, 2014 in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. (Photo by Buda Mendes/Getty Images)



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A group of girls watch how a PM paramilitary police BOPE special unit sniper secures the area as Brazilian soldiers conduct a search for weapons in the Favela da Mare slum complex in the northern suburbs of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (AFP Photo/Christophe Simon)



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Boys play soccer as a policeman patrols one day after the occupation of the Mare slums complex in Rio de Janeiro, March 31, 2014. (Photo by Ricardo Moraes/Reuters)



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Special Police Operations Battalion (BOPE) officers take position during an operation in the Mare slum complex, ahead of its "pacification," in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Wednesday, March 26, 2014. Elite federal police and army troops will be sent to the city to help quell a wave of violence in so-called "pacified" slums. Recent attacks on police bases in the favelas is raising concerns about an ambitious security program that began in 2008, in part to secure the city ahead of this year's World Cup and the 2016 Olympics. (AP Photo/Silvia Izquierdo)



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Special Police Operations Battalion (BOPE) officers and army soldiers enter the Mare slum complex, during an operation, ahead of its "pacification," in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Wednesday, March 26, 2014. (AP Photo/Silvia Izquierdo)



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A Special Police Operations Battalion (BOPE) officer runs past residents during an operation in the Mare slum complex, ahead of its "pacification," in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Wednesday, March 26, 2014. (AP Photo/Silvia Izquierdo)
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